Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:58:36 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #105 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Jere's Promotion (kevin_janisse) 2. Missing the fun (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Frank Clay-Central Authority (Tkdsid@aol.com) 4. Training in Daegu, Korea (Michael Fisher) 5. central authority (J R Hilland) 6. Effective styles (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Hapkiya (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. MDK (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 9. Jackson (Dante James) 10. Moo Duk Kwan anniverary (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 11. Mr. Spivey on step ladder......... (George Peters) 12. Re: MDK (Ray) 13. Re: Jackson (aburrese@aol.com) 14. McDee Ranch (Ken McDonough) 15. Jackson (Lawren Hasten) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "kevin_janisse" To: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:12:33 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jere's Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sounds like another great weekend of fun in Jackson. I always feel bad when I get left out of the giving and recieving among so many friends, then again, I feel bad recieving it too! Too bad I missed this year. Congratulations Jere on your promotion! I never guessed you have been at it 31 years because you don't look a year over 32. It is great how the MA keeps us so young and healthy. Keep in mind there will be a NKMAA seminar in Portland, OR on August 18th. Ray, hope you can join us this year and see your family in the area. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 3/15/2005 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:17:59 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Missing the fun Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Mac writes: > We were sure looking forward to Grandmaster Timmerman's class – even > brought our bokens. Sorry you couldn't be there Rudy. Stuff > happens… Yes, Master Mac. I was sooo looking forward to this, as it is almost like a family gathering for me. I would have LOVED to swap stories about our late GM with Dakin, and I am glad that he had a chance to chat with Tim and Ronda. I just have to make sure to be there next time:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:27:57 -0500 From: Tkdsid@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Frank Clay-Central Authority Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Frank, First, yes we both did get burned by the same people. Second, by no means I am saying we are all crooks. I am saying that there are so many different self made martial arts, so many 25 year old 10th dans, so many lousy dojangs, so many home instruction black belt courses and so many martial arts ardvertisement style magazines that we've lost sight of what we are trying to do. Greed has affected many of us. You mean to say, that the government shouldn't control medicine, colleges, school systems etc? To the extent that we do control there is still some bad stuff but these controls were placed on us because we can't control these functions. I would love to tell you how I got an 8th dan from a guy that never met me and at one point had me on his Board of Directors! Frank, please, you and I and 100's more that are afraid to admit it, got ripped off because evryone does what they bloody well want to. Sid --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Michael Fisher" To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:53:14 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Training in Daegu, Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, First, I am jealous of all of you who have the opportunity to go to these fantastic throw downs like the one last weekend. I am in Korea, and my Korean isn't up to snuff, so I don't get in on some of great learning opportunities. It sounds like the training and organization in North America is being done very well. Second, I have been training at my local hapkidojang in Korea for a couple of years and have run into a bit of a wall at my local dojang in the following way - I'm quite a bit bigger and stronger than everyone else (most hapkidoin at the place are school age), and, um, noone wants to spar or practice hoshinsul with me. I am wondering if there are contacts out on the list who would know of dojangs in Daegu, Korea that have a good reputation for sparring, or that perhaps are located close to either of the army bases in town (Camp Walker or Camp Henry), where some of the GI's go to practice. If anyone out there has contact info please respond to me directly at fishbone74@hotmail.com. Thank you, Michael Fisher --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:19:51 -0600 From: J R Hilland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] central authority Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net An old college buddy sent me the link, an aikido teacher and a scientist for the government, PhD in Chemistry. He has way to much free time. He just ran across it... :) http://ahfaa.org/bruteforce.htm <<>> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:18:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Effective styles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid I read "...I wonder why a style can't have elegance, grace, form and also be effective" The origin of the style was developed because of geography, time in history, political pressures, etc. These developing factors For example the Samurai where excellent swordsman, and those that train and practice the art of swordsmanship are to be respected, however unless you are carrying a sword as you walk to your car at the local Wal-Mart the effectiveness of the art is lost. Sure the training may increase awareness, stability, etc. but without the weapon the strength of the arts effectiveness is gone. The UFC has helped reality based martial arts grow more in the last 10 years than it has in the last 1000 years. However the UFC shows the Martial side of training what works and what don't. It does not embody art. Just proven effectiveness of technique. The fact is people do not train for the same reasons. Unfortunately, some instructors lead their students to have a false since of security by making them believe they can be effective based of theory. Theory suggest that all arts are effective. Reality proves they are not. JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:40:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkiya Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brian wrote "...If you are able to earn rank in two arts, why wouldn't you?" Brian I don't think it is impossible to to earn rank in two styles. I think that MOST that make this claim are a fraud. You have to consider more than the technique taught in a specific style. What are the philosophies being taught, what is the arts history, and traditions. Being a martial artist is not something you do it is who you are. In my particular circumstance Soo Bahk Do (techniques) Moo Duk Kwan (philosophy) is what I practice. To add to my technical training (by cross training) as I do in Jujitsu does not change who I am. It just increases my realistic effectiveness. To adopt another philosophy or even a part of one changes who I am. So to say I train in Soo Bahk Do, and cross train in Jujitsu I see nothing wrong with because I can add to my technical base without taking anything else away. To say I have adopted the philosophies of the Moo Duk Kwan and the philosophies of another style is a conflict, because to adopt two philosophies means to chose which is best and eliminate the other. If you are eliminating for your art can you really say you are giving 100% to it. JC --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:02:48 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] MDK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mary Kay The traditional midnight blue uniform trim is uniquely MDK, however the legal actions that are being considered at this time do not include the use of the Midnight blue trim, only the use of the Moo Duk Kwan Name and its logos. Grandmaster Hwang Kee began using trim on the lapel of the do-bok to separate himself and the MDK from other styles. At that time no body else trimmed their do-boks. Since then it seems everyone uses trim. The Midnight Blue is part of a MDK philosophy. Ray Master JJ Kim did use the name Moo Duk Kwan in the US prior to 1974 under the authority of Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim. The 1974 date is when the Moo Duk Kwan was forming as an organization in the US, but as you know Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim sent many instructors to the US to teach prior to the formulation of the US Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation. The bottom line is Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim created the Moo Duk Kwan (period) He also for that matter established the use of the midnight blue trim on the do-boks. JC --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Dante James" To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:46:59 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just got back from spending an extra little time in Jackson. I look forward to my next visit to Mississippi. (that's definitely not a sentence I ever thought I would be saying!) Actually got there a day early and stayed a day later to attend Master West's class. It was great to meet even more folks and enjoy the training of people who just love to train. Thanx to Master Mac and Master Hodder for the kicking and stretching workout on Friday afternoon, and to Master West, thank you is just not enough. Thanks to all the instructors, and congrats to all who were recognized for their accomplishments. Until next time......Peace Dante Dante J. James, Esq. www.denverata.com www.kimartialarts.com Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:10:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moo Duk Kwan anniverary Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Moo Duk Kwan is celebrating its 60th anniversary on September the 30th in Seoul Korea. The US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation Inc. is sponsoring the event. There is more information on the web site www.soobahkdo.com The invitation is for all members of the Moo Duk Kwan Former members of Moo Duk Kwan, TKD, TSD, SBD. I myself am taking 7 students. I went to the 50th anniversary in 1995 and it was a memorable experience. A travel package has been arranged to reduce the cost of the trip. If anyone would like to attend let me know and I will help in any way I can. JC --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:19:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Spivey on step ladder......... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, No, I was not making an attempt at levity concerning stretching with a step ladder. It is something most people already have at home and is relatively inexpensive. Front strech applications are done facing the rungs of the ladder, the rungs being at different heights should accomodate whatever is appropriate for where you are in your training. I DO place the ladder against a wall so it will not slide. With the foot already on the rung, by turning sideways from the frontal position one obtains a "side stretch". Use your imagination, this is a helpful device, and like I said the rungs being at different heights, everyone can employ this method. I also cut a board to length of the step ladder height and varnished and waxed the board. I clamp the board to the rungs and can use this to "slide" a stockinged foot either from the front or side position in a very gentle manner if desired. Who ever suggested the stretch done from lying on the floor with the tailbone against the wall and letting gravity do the work, later progressing to ankle wieghts, was right on also. An inexpensive and highly effective solution we have employed at our school for as long as I can remember. Patners are great, although not always available(or large enough in my case). Hope this has been of service to you, Sir. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] MDK To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:07:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Master JJ Kim did use the name Moo Duk Kwan in the US prior to 1974 under the > authority of Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim. The 1974 date is when the Moo Duk Kwan > was forming as an organization in the US, but as you know Hwang Kee Kwan Jang > Nim sent many instructors to the US to teach prior to the formulation of the > US Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation. Good point about JJ Kim. It looks like Hwang Kee came to the US for the second time in 1974. It was then that he asked JC Shin to call a meeting for TSD MDK members in the US. The TKD MDK folks that came to the US in the 1960s would have been a better example for me to quote. Richard Chun might be one. Myung Kyu Kang is one that is even mentioned as helping to spread MDK in the US in the Special Section to the Moo Duk Kwan 'little blue book'. He was TKD, not TSD or SBD when he came to the US (California) with another TKD MDKer Dan Choi. But all this will be up to the lawyers to decided, assuming they receive all the historical facts. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:53:04 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I missed going to Jackson this year as well. It's been a busy one for me here with this book I am working on, and hoping my agent sells soon, and I'm saving all my vacation days and money for our Korea trip this year. But I did miss seeing everyone, and look forward to future events I can make. Congratulations Jere! I'm glad everyone had a great time as usual, and knowing J.R. and his people there, and having been there a couple times, I know it was nothing less than a great weekend. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:08:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] McDee Ranch Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yo: Just purchased some land down San Antonio way. Love Texas, will retire here. Building either 40 x 60 or 40 x 80 workshop for classic car hobby and workout equipment. Will be next to the spa. Private, so I can run around naked and tip toe thru the tulips. Got the weights, and heavy bag stand. Any other ideas for workout area, re: mats, etc. Also, any recognized hapkido schools other than the several Kuk Sool Won schools in San Antonio. Do not want forms, just techniques. Thanks. K (Tex) McDee --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:22:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lawren Hasten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Master J.R. West, your crew, and all of the Masters and Master Instructors for another outstanding seminar. Congrats to Master Hilland and Master Instructor Pruetz on a well deserved promotions. It was an honor to witness the presentations. Those of us from my school (Master Hodder's) certainly missed Master Timmerman; hope you can make it next time. At this seminar there is such a great deal knowledge and experience conveyed; pain and discomfort inflicted and received; new friendship made and old ones nurtured; and let us not forget, food eaten. It's so nice to shut off the rest of the world and just focus on Martial Arts and the people that share our same passion. There's really no accurate to way to describe the experience, "you just have to be there". If you've never been I highly recommend making the very next seminar in the fall. I'm already looking forward to it; but for now I'll just have to be satisfied with Master West and his crew coming down here to Texas in April. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest