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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Central authority (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Comparing Martial arts (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Defense to Tackle (Jye nigma) 4. Re: Effective or style (Jye nigma) 5. Effective styles/UFC (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Hapkido vs BJJ (Jye nigma) 7. Nerve strikes (Charles Richards) 8. Ko Dan Ja Promotions (Charles Richards) 9. Happy St. Pat's to ya... (bmac2) 10. Re: Making an instruction dvd (Jye nigma) 11. Haedong in Philly (Ray) 12. NKMAA Annual Hapkido Seminar (Dewitt, Garrett) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:59:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Central authority To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well this is why some systems have a governing body. In some arts the lineage is very important, and in others a federation is important to keep things in line. Now I feel that dojangs, kwoons, dojos, etc should be conducted as schools. Now even if they are conducted as true schools tomarrow, you'll still have the 'others' out to get money, just like some schools that aren't accredited, so what you'll have is dojangs and the dojangs which would be like the ivy league colleges. Jye Tkdsid@aol.com wrote: I have always trained in New York for those that asked. A college in NY is accepted in California ig it is accredited. A doja will not accept a dojang's training if it is across the street. The infighting, fraud and stupidity has to end. One should never see 3 10th dans on the same avenue by the way. That is truly BS! Sid _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Comparing Martial arts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I hear the style vs style debate it reminds me of this navy seal documentary I once saw. Well, in this documentary they spoke with a guy who was a trainer of navy seals. He was talking about how they used a 9mm handgun. He was like people always ask if you're a navy seal why in the world are you using a 9mm as a backup weapon....his reply was funny as hell, he said well after I put 1 in your hea and 2 in your chest, does it really matter what gun I use? I think everyone who really believes 1 style is better then another, then should think about what that guy said. Does it really matter? Jye Shawn Ritchie wrote: Consider that if you study any art long enough you will find elements of each in it. Most people do not study long or hard enough with an open and searching mind to find this. Though if you are looking for an art with ready street applications have any of you explored Sanuces Ryu Ju Juitsu? The style is a newer style (only 40 or 50 years old ) but after only a few months in the school ( coming from an old Korean Military style of Tae Kwon Do) it's effectiveness is undeniably one of the best. Shawn Ritchie _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Defense to Tackle To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There's one thing with kneeing to the face is that you run a risk of getting teeth in the knee. But there is a risk with doing anything I suppose. My cousin used an uppercut to lay someone out when they rushed in to tackle/grab him. *We're mainly a boxing/karate/kung fu family. Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:52:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Effective or style To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my opinion, gracefulness and effectiveness all follow after one studies a system. Think of when learning a new dance, you may be rocky until you learn the movements, practice them understand them and then eventually make them yours. Now when you do that, you can do the gansta boogie like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever....lol. Seriously though all that will follow when you make the techniques yours. Jye Tkdsid@aol.com wrote: Dear JC: I think we are in essential agreement. I wonder why a style can't have elegance, grace, form and also be effective? Sid _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 05:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Effective styles/UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my opinion, the UFC does not show what works and what doesn't. Instead it shows who can work their knowledge and skills better. Suppose I'm a boxer and I spar with boxers, grapplers, kickers, etc and become proficient at defeating my sparring partners, then that is because I have learned to use my knowledge of what their style entails, and my skills to overcome their weapons of a$$ destruction. So when I square off with someone who is proficient in using their skills, it now becomes a question of who can do it better, or who makes the first mistake....kind of like shooting pool. Two excellent competitors square off and shoot pool, their skills are not in question it soon becomes a question of who makes the first mistake and if the other can capitalize on the error. Jye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:12:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido vs BJJ To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Man...I think grapplers and wrestlers can be very dangerous. Supposed someone lifts you off the ground, who's to say they don't flip you, or slam you in such a way that you fall sideways on your neck either killing you or paralyzing you? I some wrestlers that I've seen take someone out with a simple body slam. Any form of pugilism is dangerous and can end life, it all depends on the practitioner. If you square off with a boxer, wrestler, karate man, ballet dancer, etc...if their intent is to kill you, they will make what ever modifications to their body of knowledge to get them closer to their goal. jye You are probably right. I gave some adulation to the BJJ fighter. I don't think their art is the most dangerous.. but I think the way they train prepares them more for what they KNOW is gonna happen in a fight and be prepared for it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:32:14 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Nerve strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read A perfect example of a strike to the brachial plexus origin. Master Richards can tell you all about how it feels. :) MC Reply Funny, I sort of remember seeing you move and people telling me not to get up too fast :-) What I do remember is a bunch of burley macho males stepping out of the line to see how it feels and my 110# lady color belt standing calmly in line :-) MC --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:39:12 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ko Dan Ja Promotions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read but I thought it appropriate to exit lurk mode to congratulate my good friend Master Jere Hilland on his promotion to 6th Dan. ......I would also like to send out Cong-Rats to Master Instructor James Morgan on his 4th Dan. ....Special Cong-Rats to Master Instructor Chris Rock and to Instructor Shawn O'Neill on their promotions to 4th and 3rd Dan respectively. MC Reply Kudos to all these fine gentlemen. I am truly sorry I missed the opportunity to share the mat with them this March. It will just make me even more excited about August. MC --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:49:29 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy St. Pat's to ya... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net use your irish accent To me friend far and near a happy st pat's to you my dear Kat (Kelly of course) ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Making an instruction dvd To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To make a good product one should have good material. I would say map everything out, plan everything out to the last letter, then practice shooting. after you shoot, review what you have and determine if there are any changes you want to make. **You may want to have people who don't study and people who do study view what you have to see if everyone can comprehend what's going on in the sequence...ease of use in other words. Once you fine tune everything do the final shooting; *may want to try various angles of certain applications especially grappling or locks. From there go to the editing. Once you edit everything the way you want it, add in the graphics- meaning Text. If you have Adobe photoshop and dvd authoring software you can actually design your own dvd menu, and in photoshop and import it into the dvd software that supports the photoshop tags, then voila you have what you're looking for. Something(s) you might want to avoid if you're working on a tight budget: 1) Don't try to film this in a dimly lit room Outside is cool as it will provide alot of light 2) make sure you have plenty of room to move freely around 3) if you do it in a room of sorts, be sure to have a background that wont interfere with the main focal point which is you. 4) make sure you know exactly what you want to say so you wont take too long in explain, get straight to the point. 5) use tripods for the cameras so their is no shaking 6) use digital camcorders if possible 7) practice proper distance of the camera for if you're flipping someone their body parts don't go out of frame 8) have fun Jye Klaas barends wrote: Say you would like to make a GOOD instruction dvd of your favorite martial art. What are the things you have to look for? Take care of in advance? etc. etc. Which mistakes shouldn't one make? I guess there are some people here on the digest with experience, maybe they would like to share some of it. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:34:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Haedong in Philly Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Philadelphia Inquirer March 17 A Korean martial art emphasizes swordsmanship Masters gather to display their finely honed skills By Leslie A. Pappas Swords will swing in Levittown this weekend. In the hands of Korean sword masters, blades will whoosh through the air, slice through bamboo, and snuff out candles without touching the wick. The lethal precision of Haidong Gumdo, or "The Korean Way of the Sword," will be on public display at the Sheraton Hotel on Oxford Valley Road in Falls Township on Saturday and Sunday, as more than 50 masters and 100 black-belt students from more than a dozen states gather to test for advanced degrees and observe one anothers' mastery. A delegation from South Korea, including the president of the World Haidong Gumdo Federation, Jeong Ho Kim, is expected to judge the event. The weekend will be the culmination of more than four years of effort for Master Dong Jin Park, president of the U.S. Haidong Gumdo Association, who came from South Korea to Levittown in 2000. Selected by the federation to promote the sport in North America, Park opened the Haidong Martial Arts School on Oxford Valley Road in Levittown because the area had a strong Korean community and a central East Coast location. He traveled extensively to recruit and train promising students in other states. The art is now taught at more than 200 martial arts schools nationwide, Park said. According to Park, Haidong Gumdo, sometimes spelled Haedong Kumdo, started in Korea in A.D. 331. Initially developed by warriors to practice their battlefield skills, modern-day Haidong Gumdo emphasizes meditation, virtue and self-discipline. "When you start getting into it, you have to concentrate more," said 13-year-old Dustin Chun, an orange belt from Lower Makefield who said the mental aspects of the sword work help him focus in school. Students learn exercises with wooden swords, then advance to metal swords without sharpened edges. Only after considerable training and proven self-control are students given real swords. "It really forces you to focus," said Tracy Fobes, 40, of Yardley, who has studied for two years and who will test for her black belt this weekend. "You don't want to cut your own ear off." Students test their swordsmanship by cutting through bamboo poles, which represent bone, and straw sheaves that simulate flesh. The smoother the cut, the higher the skill. A master's cut is clean and straight. A less skillful student will leave cracks or ripples in the pole. Eventually students practice tossing objects - a ball of paper, an orange, a cherry tomato - into the air, and slicing them in half before they hit the ground. "A lot of people are more interested in what they consider more practical martial arts, like punching and kicking," said Frank Bergman, 54, a black belt who has studied with Park for two years. "Haidong Gumdo cultivates precision, focus of the mind, the calming of the spirit, which is important for any martial art." Demonstrations on Cutting Edge Masters and students of Haidong Gumdo will gather in the Plaza Ballroom at the Sheraton Hotel, 400 Oxford Valley Rd., Falls Township, this weekend. Admission is free. Saturday, 10 a.m. to 1 p.m: A cutting demonstration, where masters show their swordsmanship by slicing through bamboo poles and straw sheaves. Sunday, 9 a.m. to noon, and 1 to 5 p.m.: Tests for masters and black belts, which include snuffing out a candle - without touching it - by using the edge of the sword. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:23:45 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] NKMAA Annual Hapkido Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On April 23rd, 2005, we have scheduled Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman for his Annual Hapkido Seminar here in Brainerd, MN. Anyone interested in attending this event please do so. Any other information needed, please contact me via the e-mail or call me at (218) 828 - 8522 Thank You Regards Garrett DeWitt Martial Arts Brainerd, MN. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest