Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:01:21 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #113 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The_Dojang digest, Training Woman in HapKiDo (Raymond Navarro) 2. Re: breakfalls and learning hapkido (Michael Fisher) 3. teacing the Code of the HwaRangDo (Tkdsid@aol.com) 4. Humility & Selflessness - martial arts true mission (Jeff Yeagley) 5. Fear of Falling (Braeswood Martial Arts) 6. RE: What to do when Jason attacks you in Bastrop, TX (Howard Spivey) 7. SUDDEN DEATH ? (Art VanVranken) 8. into KMA.... (George Peters) 9. true nature (Bob Banham) 10. Re: SUDDEN DEATH ? (Ray) 11. Re: into KMA.... (Ray) 12. Training Women (Richard Tomlinson) 13. Tokyo's Military Past (Ray) 14. Women in Hapkido (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Training Woman in HapKiDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ho Mr. Corchado I am a HapKiDo teacher/SabomNim, been teaching this art for 28 years. I am certain that if you use this aproach with your ladie students it can help the group strnghten them in their confidence towards their training. Of course, most students doing HapKiDo or most martial arts that include falls in their training curriculum, that there will be beginers that will feel afraid of the falls as part of their training but you can make an aproach of diferent steps that will take them to develop the confidence and end up understanding the falls and their purpose plus learning them corectly so they can end up enjoying their workouts by this aproach: Start with the back fall from the siting position, having them lay back by action of a fall to the prone position tucking their chin to their chest as they do this. Then go to the next fase sort of saying and have them add the motion of crossing their arms in front of their chest at the moment of faling to the prone position and at the moment of being at the ground to slap the ground with the palms of their hands. When this is simple for each one individually that they individually making it a progress thing that the ones that can do this easilly now to squat and let themselves fall to a seated position but as they fall to the seated position doing the arms cross as before but let their body go to the laying position also braking the fall or hiting the floor with the palms of their hands also tucking their chin to their chest so that their head do not bounce and hit the ground. The easier this becomes then they stand and go down to the squat doing all that I mentioned before being part of the fall break. To do the front fall first have them do the known roll fall from the squat position plasing the palms of their hands on the ground with their arms straight as they fall roling over their head having them do the best posible to not touch their head but the top part of their shoulder on the ground as they fall roling over to complete the roll and next when it is easy and they understand this motion that they individually on their own progress and building their confidense do this from the stand position going to the squat and do the hole thing as before. All this will and should give them the confidence to como to like doing this falls. When they can do it progresivelly they can do it from the standing position with out going to the squating. Hope this helps your group Joe, be blessed and hope progress is yours and for your group. HAP Ramon Navarro SabomNim de HapKiDo Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo Panama City Panama Message: 1 From: "United HapKiDo Academy" To: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:18:06 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] =?us-ascii?Q? navarro_hapkido_panama@hapkidokr.org Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, Here is a good question: What is the best method to teach a woman Hapkido? The reason for this question is that I been trying to motivate my wife to continue her training and also I'm trying to interest other females to join our Hapkido School. There main concern is that they don't like to fall. They love to learn the techniques but hate the idea of somebody throwing them on the mat. Should I try to make my program easier for them by not requiring falling? But I require all my male students to fall and at each belt test they need to demonstrate a better proficiency level in their falling. I will like to make it a little easy for the females but I feel that my male students will complain because I don't take it easy on them. I will be real thankful for any suggestion. Best Wishes and than you in advance. Mr Joe Corchado Head Instructor United HapKiDo Academy   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Fisher" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:04:48 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: breakfalls and learning hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, Based on the program at my dojang, proficiency at breakfalls is important at all belt levels (whether the hapkidoin is woman or man). All belt levels have hoshinsul that contain techniques where the partner is thrown to the ground; even at the yellow belt level, breakfalling ability is necessary simply because you are being thrown to the ground. That said, LEARNING how to breakfall is a different kettle of fish. I have seen new hapkidoin come to the dojang, be shown breakfalls for a class or two, then have seen their heads bounce off the mats when they get thrown (ouch!!). The thing is, breakfalling is a process that requires a couple of things (at least) that most beginners don't have just yet: muscle memory (it needs to be an automatic response, not a "thought about" one) AND muscles specific to the technique; the muscles haven't grown there yet because this is a technique that the students have never done before. Having crosstrained a bit in yudo, my opinion is that at my hapkidojang breakfalls get glossed over a bit; at yudo, we didn't do any standing technique until we learned to fall, and learning to fall was a sweaty, muscle-growing process. We practiced breakfalls exclusively for an hour a day for more than two months (a boring process to be sure, but now when I get thrown I breakfall and am back on my feet ready for more instead of sitting off to the side nursing injuries.) I am interested to hear from those of you who teach as to what kind of program and what degree of commitment you have to breakfalls, whether you do like my current hapkidojang and give (what in my opinion is) a rather cursory introduction to breakfalls, or if, like at my yudojang, you stick on breakfalls until the students get them, then allow throwing techniques. How much hoshinsul are you willing to teach the students prior to them being able to breakfall? If the students aren't solid at breakfalls do you have them focus on kicking and breakfalls until such time that they can breakfall, then proceed to hoshinsul? Breakfall fundamentals, though important, are boring and tedious to practice, especially when the students are all sold on the fancy kicking and throwing and bone-crushing demo and not on tedious breakfall practice. Michael Fisher P.S. Joe, is it possible that the breakfall-shy students you refer to are interested in a course on self defence rather than hapkido? If so, you can probably put together a decent curriculum that will allow them to do that, sidestepping a lot of rigorous breakfall practice. But if they want to learn hapkido, breakfalls... --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:51:09 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] teacing the Code of the HwaRangDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How best to teach humility, respect etc? LIVE iT! sID rUBINFELD --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:36 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Humility & Selflessness - martial arts true mission Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > With the recent topic of martial arts true mission...how do you suggest we, > as instructors, instill humility and selflessness in our > students? Especially for those students that seem to struggle with these > virtues on occasion. I would humbly suggest that we do so the same way parents try to instill these, and other qualities in their children (in order of priority): 1. Lead by example 2. Educate your students on the benefits of developing and living these virtues 3. Acknowledge and praise them when they exemplify the behaviors; and lovingly discipline them when they do not. Jeff Email: jeff.yeagley@wetrainharder.com Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:33:56 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fear of Falling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joe and all, In myopinion, fear of falling is not something that is subject to woman only. I have had a few male students and have worked with many men who also fear falling as well as female. In my school we start falling from the start and at a very basic level. This allows the student to control their progress. We also fall with techniques at the white and yellow belt level to allow students to learn control and how falling practice differs from take downs. My top student is now a red belt and from time to time still fears falling. This is just the make-up of this persons personality, not gender. Falling to me (a female) is my favorite part of martial arts. But then I am not normal by any means. Kat --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:15:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: What to do when Jason attacks you in Bastrop, TX Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Why, that's an easy one, Tex... whip the sawed-off 12 guage out of my waistband and let Mr. leather face mask have it with both barrels. It's a high-level hapkido technique, taught only to the select few who have proven themselves. From: Ken McDonough "While on the Riverwalk, San Antonio, in this balmy 75 degree heat, something occurred to me regardin you Hapkido guys. Scenario: Your car conks out while on the county road in Bastrop, Texas. You stop at this farm with a lot of chicken feathers and meat hooks lying around. You aimlessly walk into this old farmhouse and ask for Farmer Jones. Suddenly a guy with a leather face mask (made out of human flesh or cow hide) comes gunning for ya with a chain saw ! I mean out of nowwhere, with the chainsaw lookin to chop off some of your limbs ... I mean you got no time for etiquette, bowing to the Korean flag, or practicin your forms. Whadda u do ? Lemme know cause my Corona is gettin low. Bye Bye K. (Tex) McDee" --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:19:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Art VanVranken" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] SUDDEN DEATH ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my TKD training, we were taught to use the term "Sudden Victory" rather than "Sudden Death". I believe the term is "PilSung". And please correct me if I am wrong because this was the teaching of my previous Master, a 5th Dan Korean. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:44:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] into KMA.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry, Isn't this "myth" of holistic training from the Hwarang that has found its' way into modern KMA what that KJN Hwang Kee was instilling in the MDK art(s)? At least this is what I thought was being refered to when this was being taught. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:52:03 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] true nature Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think most will agree that it should have worked it's way into modern KMA training but as we all know it is only present in some current systems. That seems to be a shame as much of the true intent is missed. Agree? Bob Martial Arts for the 21st Century Bob Banham Director Chilsong Ltd Oak House, High Street, Cawston, Norwich NR10 4AE UK bob@chilsong.com www.chilsong.com tel: mobile: 44 (0)1603 872077 07748066992 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Chilsong martial arts 300dpi colour logo.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] SUDDEN DEATH ? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:16:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > In my TKD training, we were taught to use the term "Sudden Victory" rather > than "Sudden Death". I believe the term is "PilSung". And please correct me if > I am wrong because this was the teaching of my previous Master, a 5th Dan > Korean. Pil Sung means winning is inevitable, or must win, or certain victory. But, to my understanding, not sudden victory. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] into KMA.... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:23:40 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Isn't this "myth" of holistic training from the Hwarang that has found > its' way into modern KMA what that KJN Hwang Kee was instilling in the MDK > art(s)? At least this is what I thought was being refered to when this was > being taught. Yes, I agree. It is a great name and all, but I wonder how much it was really stressed in the late 1940s and 50s. I -suspect- far less than it has been stressed since the 1960s. It just seems that becoming a better person is much higher up Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs than is survival on the streets (self-defense, becoming a better fighter) and Korea was a pretty tough place to survive back in those days. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:22:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Training Women Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If I had been treated softer by my first head instructor, I would of quit within a month. By treating me as an equal, my instructors have allowed me to earn theirs and other students respect. sandy --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:41:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tokyo's Military Past Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net DISPUTE Over Islands Rekindles Wrath Over Tokyo's Military Past Washington Post "It doesn't matter," said Cho Han Sin, vice president ... On March 1, South Korea's President Roh Moo Hyun chastised Japan, suggesting it needed to "apologize" ... SEOUL -- Angry swells of South Koreans have protested at the Japanese Embassy here for more than a week, burning the flag of the Rising Sun and expressing emotions so deep that some demonstrators have cut off their fingers. Riot police blocked a group of ex-military commandos from blowing up a propane gas tank at the embassy's gates. The Korean wrath is the product of a territorial dispute over an uninhabited island chain known as Takeshima in Japanese and Dokdo in Korean. Japan's ambassador in Seoul ignited the quarrel this month by reiterating his country's claim to the islands. And on Wednesday, a prefecture in Japan, cheered on by zealots in paramilitary garb, approved a measure reinforcing the claim it made to the islands a century ago during an era of Japanese military expansion in the region. [snip] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50252-2005Mar19.html --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:49:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Women in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I guess I never thought about taking it easy on a woman because the top Hapkido black belt in the first HKD school I was in was a woman. I think she was a 2nd Dan at the time. When our instructor wasn't around she was the one that was in charge of punishment, err, instruction. I clearly remember her training through her pregnancy, right up to the ninth month. Sadly I learned a few years ago that Deedee was found dead in her apartment a few years before that. Unknown why or what happened... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest