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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Pil Sung (Art VanVranken) 2. Martial improvement (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. What is the best method to teach a woman (John Merwin) 4. RE: Humility & Selflessness - martial arts true mission (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 5. Looking for an Instructor (66-21) 6. Re: Looking for an Instructor (Ray) 7. Technique in the UFC (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Moral character / effective technique (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 9. hierarchy of needs (George Peters) 10. Master Hodder WV Seminar (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 11. RE: Training Women in HapKiDo (kevin_janisse) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:13:37 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Art VanVranken" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Pil Sung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I stand corrected. Do you prefer the term Sudden Death in a tournament? Definitely on the street in a real conflict, but in the class I would think Sudden Victory would be more appropriate. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:05:59 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial improvement Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: >Here is a question... When did the purpose of Korean martial arts change from martial improvement to moral improvement? It seems to me that Korea was always more about moral improvement than about martial improvement. Traditionally the warrior was valued very little in Korea; it was the Confucian scholar who was most highly prized. >Seriously, I submit that if one goes back to the Korean Karate of the 1940s and 50s and perhaps even the 60s one sees little of this. So you mean that when Koreans were most highly influenced by the Japanese, they prized martial values most highly? :) I'd say that what you are seeing is partly the attitude of the Japanese military and bushido, and part of it is the bellicosity that would be displayed by any nation that has suffered as Korea suffered in the first half of the twentieth century. >In Japan it was probably in Kano's Judo and Funakoshi's Karate-do, taught to the masses and the children to improve their physical and mental health. Kano first, since he was the one who tried to turn judo into a form of physical education like that found in Europe and America. Funakoshi was influenced by Kano when he arrived in Japan. >But I don't see this same focus very early on in the Korean Karate or Hapkido dojangs. I'm not so sure about that. Several organizations had that aim. Remember Gen. Choi teaching Shotokan karate to both prisoners and guards in the prison camp at the end of the Second World War? And the Renbukan in Japan was originally the Kanbukan (Korean Training Hall) and was closely linked to early Korean versions of karate (kongsudo and tangsudo) in the 1940s and 1950s. But Koreans often had to struggle to eat in the 1940s, and there was a lot of corruption and violence, so what they practiced reflected that. My question would be, do you think true martial arts are really a form of combatives? We don't go to war, and we can't deal with opponents in the way that a warrior could. A lot of us call ourselves warriors (we've had this conversation before) but most of us are not serving in the frontlines and are NOT at war. We should therefore be practicing self-defense, something that takes the legal consequences of one's actions into account. I have practiced combatives in the past and enjoyed it, but I also have realized that breaking the attacker's neck is not a good first response, and I have worked to train myself out of it. It may look cool in demos, but in a confrontation we will do what we practice, so we need to practice appropriately. For me, that means no dive rolls, no neck breaks, and using sticks as weapons rather than knives. Comments? Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: John Merwin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] What is the best method to teach a woman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What is the best method to teach a woman Hapkido? SAME AS THE OTHER STUDENTS there is no men or woman only students. IF you’re other students do not like falling then change the program to self defense only and don’t have any belts. Offer it in 6 to 8 week blocks of training. Do not lower the standers but change the course that is offered to you female student and teens. Then when they start asking about more information about self defense start bring them into the world of HKD. Explain why they need falling by showing them sweeps and throws. In your self defense class show them what happen when they are pushed from the front or back and how to protect themselves by rolling into a defenses posture. Start off with rolling from their knees then to the baseball squat, then half standing then full up and then start with the full throws. We start all our students out with a 4 inch pad called the marshmallow. This is a 11/2 inch thick pad, then they move to HHD pads then we are off to the beach and hit the sand (blue belts and up). Hope this helps CIMA Training Center HKD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Humility & Selflessness - martial arts true mission Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:29:20 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very well said Jeff. Three little things that, if they were practiced in every home, would make this world a whole lot better. Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Yeagley [mailto:jyeagley@kc.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:17 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Humility & Selflessness - martial arts true mission > With the recent topic of martial arts true mission...how do you suggest we, > as instructors, instill humility and selflessness in our > students? Especially for those students that seem to struggle with these > virtues on occasion. I would humbly suggest that we do so the same way parents try to instill these, and other qualities in their children (in order of priority): 1. Lead by example 2. Educate your students on the benefits of developing and living these virtues 3. Acknowledge and praise them when they exemplify the behaviors; and lovingly discipline them when they do not. Jeff Email: jeff.yeagley@wetrainharder.com Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "66-21" To: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:54:26 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Looking for an Instructor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know of a Master Yul Kul Kim, who used to be located in Louisville, Kentucky? He was the founder of the World Martial Arts Federation. The last time that I had trained with him was in 1993, and he has left the area since that time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Lance Schutjer Midwest Academy of Tae Kwon Do --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Looking for an Instructor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:26:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does anyone know of a Master Yul Kul Kim, who used to be located in > Louisville, Kentucky? He was the founder of the World Martial Arts > Federation. The last time that I had trained with him was in 1993, and he has > left the area since that time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Lance, I met a TKD Master Kim (don't recall the full name) from there just a few years ago, he had given up teaching TKD to teach golf. He was obviously -really- into golf. He was maybe in his 50s. Might that be him? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:48:25 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Technique in the UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Eric I agree with you there is a total lack of technique in some areas of the UFC. Kicking is terrible, and as you said elbows and some other techniques are done incorrectly. I believe most of these people don't train in kicking with exception of Kicking with the shin just above the knee or using knee kicks inside. In defense however, it is hard to execute perfect technique while someone skilled in wrestling is shooting in for your legs. As for muscle and weight. It is true size plays a roll in the effective outcome of a fight, however skill can a does over come both weight and muscle. Watch the fist 3 UFC's. Gracie was 170lbs and about 6' tall he beat Kimo who at the time claimed to be a black belt in TKD and was a big muscle head. He beat Ken Shamrock who was not only a big muscle head but a skilled fighter as well. It sounds to me the two black belts you beat a because you out weight them by 70lbs should re-evaluate there skill level. I have a 2nd degree black belt student that is 6'4" tall and weighs about 240lbs. He is a former PJ in the air force, and is a muscle head. We grapple quite often and he has never tapped me out. I am about 6' tall and weigh about 220lbs. I teach Soo Bahk Do to all my students. I only introduce grappling technique to my senior students and not as a part of our normal curriculum. I do this because it is and effective method of defense if you find yourself on the ground. JC --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:09:31 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moral character / effective technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Metzner and Eric Respectfully let me say you are right that we as instructors should be teaching and developing good moral character in our students, however it is our responsibility to not give our students a false since of security about what will work and what will not work. I teach under the strictest of conditions. My classes are taught as much like a military school as I can. I continually teach students the core values of the Martial Arts. I also teach from the perspective that some of the techniques are more effective than others in a given situation. The UFC is as close to a real fight as you may see with out biting, or crippling someone. I use this information as a tool. I am not teaching or training fighters. I am teaching values to my students, and giving them the tools they need to fight a fighter if they have to. My students are well mannered and respectful. My students also know what it feels like to be hit, to be choked, to have the wind knocked out of them. IMHO some schools award black belts to people with good moral character (which is good) but can't fight out of a wet paper sack. Character is VERY important but is not the whole equation. JC --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] hierarchy of needs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Wonderful point, although I would think that one's view of the KMA's would change with the attainment of each level in the hierarchy.(perspective being relative to present position) I like to THINK but may be wrong that the lofttiest goals in KMA(personal perfection) may be unattainable, but were set down for each of us to strive for in accordance with our relative "placement", and that any progress is a wonderful thing. At least from my perspective, it would be nice to believe that we have a set of rules for attaining a better world set down by the founders of the KMA's. In viewing the 1950's and 1960's, I see a generation that had been caught up in war and conflict teaching itself something so these things either would not appear so fearful or could be avoided altogether, this attitude prevailing into the 1970's with such things leaving the limelight and giving us a chance to move on up the "hierarchy". Hope you can make sense of what I'm trying to say, this is very hard for me to put into words so I can even understand myself. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:13:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Hodder WV Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy located in the Allegheny mountains of Lewisburg, West Virginia will be hosting Master Rich Hodder, TKD 8th Dan, for a full day of punchin', kickin', and throwin' kind of fun! There will be a special 2 hour session for kids only (11 yrs and younger) and a 4 or 5 hour session for 12 yrs and older students/instructors. Exact fee for the seminar is not known at this time. Updates will be posted on the GTKDA website at http://www.gtkda.com . Mark your calendars now. All are welcome. Thank you. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "kevin_janisse" To: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:00:38 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Training Women in HapKiDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Joe, My wife Debbie, a 44 year old second dahn, does not like to fall but can do it when prompted to. She has on ocasion had minor injuries from bad falls due to fear and not ability. To help her overcome this fear I have resorted to softer/thicker mats which take the sting out of bad technique. From this difficulty she has learned to be a good teacher of falling so with this in mind she has gained the repect of the younger and more physically able students. She also has good physical stamina and can workout longer and harder then the others. I would recommend to try to focus on the good attributes that stand out and if there are students that compare others with themselves, it might be a good idea to remind them of the areas they need to focus on. There is the fact that women are not as rugged as men and I believe there should be a different level of performance expected. I have seen only a few women, since 1984, that could actually fall well and these were young women (under 30). As far as becoming proficient with techniques, Oh can they be mean. I have caught some pretty good air doing demonstrations with my wife (ouch!). Shoot me an e-mail if you would like more specifics on helping women with breakfalls. Sincerley, Kevin Janisse No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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