Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:50:12 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #116 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Shortcomings of central authority (Tkdsid@aol.com) 2. Re: Subliminal Martial Arts Learning (tim walker) 3. Being a Warrior (FirstPe315@aol.com) 4. Chilsong (Bob Banham) 5. from another group: international summer camp (Jye nigma) 6. gathering 2005 (Jye nigma) 7. moral character/effective technique (t.metzner1) 8. Redirecting into a wall (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 9. The Axis of Evil (Brooke Thomas) 10. RE: Shortcomings of central authority (Rick Clark) 11. Re: Redirecting into a wall (Ray) 12. Richard Chun Book (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:12:18 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Shortcomings of central authority Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Clark: Un Young Kim's abhorrent behavior is not indicative of why central authority is bad. It is an indication of how an organization rids itself of corruption. It shows that central authoity works. The alternative? !0,000 crooks running amuk with there own styles, sokeships, individual corruption and no direction. I stand firm on the need for oversight. Sid Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Subliminal Martial Arts Learning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael: I am a firm believer in subliminal learning (sucker). It can easily replace years of hard work (sucker), practice, diligence, humility (sucker), a high-fiber diet, and a good woman (sucker). Kip McCormick (sucker) taught me the secret of life (sucker) through subliminal learning (sucker) , and if you send (sucker) me a dollar (to cover shipping and handling, of course), I'll share it with you (sucker). If you still have your doubts (sucker), I believe that subliminally (sucker) is how Craig Stovall (sucker) got so smart, and Ray Terry got (sucker) so handsome. timo "Dolor Temporarius, Gloria Aeterna, Cicatrices (sucker) Virgines Placent" (Pain is temporary, Glory is eternal, Chicks dig scars) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:27:11 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Being a Warrior Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin - Although I think you said many good things. I would have to disagree that being a warrior is just about being on the "front lines". It may have to do with what meaning you put into the word. Of course, my meaning is just as good as yours since it is a "little" subjective. Therefore, I would postulate that being a warrior, as I alluded to above, is abour far more than just being martially proficient. Although I do agree that you should have some martial ability, I would further postulate that the greatest "fighter" can very much be an ineffective warrior in life, or in other areas which I believe one should be. Warriors of old, Japanese as well as Korean (the Sunbi, Hwarang) had many components that made up their "warriorness". I think you are looking at this just a little shallow. Having said that, I think you need to be able to "smack down" when needed but it is not the whole makeup of the warrior. Jeff In a message dated 3/22/2005 4:53:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: My question would be, do you think true martial arts are really a form of combatives? We don't go to war, and we can't deal with opponents in the way that a warrior could. A lot of us call ourselves warriors (we've had this conversation before) but most of us are not serving in the frontlines and are NOT at war. We should therefore be practicing self-defense, something that takes the legal consequences of one's actions into account. I have practiced combatives in the past and enjoyed it, but I also have realized that breaking the attacker's neck is not a good first response, and I have worked to train myself out of it. It may look cool in demos, but in a confrontation we will do what we practice, so we need to practice appropriately. For me, that means no dive rolls, no neck breaks, and using sticks as weapons rather than knives. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:52:45 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chilsong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JC, Chilsong means 'seven stars' and refers to the constellation of ursa major (the Great Bear). It is a traditional Korean folk legend that the Heavenly Elk steals the sun every evening and carries it away on his antlers. Every morning the hunter shoots the elk, retrieves the sun and places it back in the sky. Bob Martial Arts for the 21st Century Bob Banham Director Chilsong Ltd Oak House, High Street, Cawston, Norwich NR10 4AE UK bob@chilsong.com www.chilsong.com tel: mobile: 44 (0)1603 872077 07748066992 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Chilsong martial arts 300dpi colour logo.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: international summer camp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "44th annual Legion Athletic Camp, located on the Manitoba/North Dakota border at the International Peace Garden, is now accepting registration for its July-August 2005 summer camp. Sports offered during the six weeks are basketball, elementary, equestrian, gymnastics, judo, sailing, soccer, tae kwon do, track and field, volleyball and wilderness. The Legion Athletic Camp (www.legionathleticcamp.com) 1-204-661-5448 is open to elementary, middle and senior high school athletes. Request a brochure by e- mailing register@legionathleticcamp.com AUGUST 7 - 13 2005 WEEK FIVE JUDO Head Coach Gary Sova For boys and girls aged 10-18, who are either high level judo competitors or recreational beginners. You learn basic and advanced skills. Modern strategies are demonstrated to improve techniques in throwing, pinning maneuvers, chokes and arm locks. Coaches may include former Olympic and international champions from around the world. The Legion Athletic Camp is pleased to announce that Master Instructor Sandy Bowman of Fort McMurray, Alberta Canada will be the head coach for Tae Kwon Do at the 44th Legion Athletic Camp located on the border of Manitoba/North Dakota at the International Peace Garden . The week camp is scheduled for August 14-20, 2005. "We are very pleased to add to our camp the sport of Tae Kwon Do," said LAC head coach George Phillips. "Tae Kwon Do is an excellent sport for young athletes. It is a defensive martial art that combines mental discipline, philosophy, physical exercise and ability. It promotes a wide range of principles and is gaining in world popularity. "Master Instructor Sandy Bowman is well-respected in the field and brings with him an excellent reputation." Tae Kwon Do is the 12th summer Olympic sport to be offered at the Legion Athletic Camp during it's 44 year legacy. Below is a brief bio of Bowman's coaching accomplishments. Kukkiwon 5th Degree Black Belt Master Instructor International Referee Alberta Team Coach Alberta Taekwondo Association Board of Directors - Ethics Director National Poomse Judge 24 Years Experience Awards from : Sang Myung University and World Taekwondo Federation Produced over: 50 Alberta provincial medalists, 30 Junior Canadian National medalists, six Senior Canadian National medalists, 20 International medalists and one Junior Canadian National Champion. OVER 70 ceritified kukkiwon black belts in Fort McMurray alone between 1st degree and 4th degree black belts since 1992. "44th annual Legion Athletic Camp, located on the North Dakota/Manitoba border at the International Peace Garden, is now accepting registration for its July-August 2005 summer camp. Sports offered during the six weeks are basketball, elementary, equestrian, gymnastics, judo, sailing, soccer, tae kwon do, track and field, volleyball and wilderness. The Legion Athletic Camp (www.legionathleticcamp.com) 1-204-661-5448 is open to elementary, middle and senior high school athletes. Request a brochure by e- mailing register@legionathleticcamp.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:19:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] gathering 2005 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net THE GATHERING 2005 - USA - SOUTHWEST MEN'S AND WOMEN'S DIVISIONS SINGLE STICK - DOUBLE STICK - SWORD AND DAGGER LONG SWORD - KNIFE FIGHTING FLYWEIGHT - LIGHTWEIGHT - MIDDLEWEIGHT - HEAVYWEIGHT WHEN: APRIL 9, 2004 WHERE: IMPACT MARTIAL ARTS & FITNESS CENTER 2131 COLORADO BLVD., LOS ANGELES, CA 90041 PHONE: 323-350-8500 Champions of each event will be eligible to participate in the International Tournament to be held in Manila, Philippines on October 15-16, 2005. FOR MORE INFO, VISIT www.bakbakan.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "t.metzner1" To: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:57:07 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] moral character/effective technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JC I think we agree that we want our students to be of good moral charcter. I am also sure we could agree that it would trouble us as instructors to teach a student a martial art and then have them go use thier skills and knowledge to beat people for no reason. Of course we need to teach our students effective techniques. If for you, teaching techniques used in UFC is how you operate, then no problem here. It sounds as if your students are respectful and can distinguish between the techniques of these fighters and the "sport" of UFC, which I have a problem with. As for me, I stick with the book. I was fortunate enough to have taken several seminars with General Choi and still train under Grandmaster Hwang. I never questioned the effectiveness of the techniques General Choi wrote down in his book, and passed down to me by Grandmaster Hwang. And of course I agree that students need to train their minds and bodies to become effective fighters. Let me pose a question to you. Let's say a student signed up for your classes and was extremely uncoordinated/unathletic. Perhaps he was slow in executing techniques during free sparring. He would never be a good fighter. But he was respectful, good moral character, volunteered to help around the school, and was tenacious and determined in all aspects of his training. In addition, he wouldn't quit. Would you ever promote him to black belt? Show him the door? Tom Metzner --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:04:44 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Redirecting into a wall Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig Zeigler wrote: I've had someone try to rush me in a bar once, and simple directed him into a nearby wall. When he finally came around, the cops and ambulance were already there and arrested him. Its amazing just how stupid people become when they're drunk. (glad I don't drink.. was jjust there with friends.) My reply: Glad to hear that it worked out Craig. There was a gentleman here in Indiana who did a similar thing, redirecting a rushing attacker into his pick-up. Unfortunately, the attacker managed to break his neck and the defender (an aikido guy) got ten years for manslaughter. :( Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The Axis of Evil Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Banham- I can understand some of your students reluctance to travel to N. Korea...I can just see getting pulled out of line, hours of questioning, searches, and all that fun (and being a "trained" martial artist) coming back into the U.S. or U.K. with a N. Korean stamp on my passport... Brooke Thomas Hapkido Blend --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:03:41 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Shortcomings of central authority To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Sid, >Dear Mr. Clark: > > Un Young Kim's abhorrent behavior is not indicative of why central >authority is bad. It is an indication of how an organization rids itself of >corruption. It shows that central authoity works. The alternative? !0,000 crooks >running amuk with there own styles, sokeships, individual corruption and no >direction. I stand firm on the need for oversight. > >Sid Rubinfeld You know the old saying that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely - in the cases of martial arts central authority provides more than ample opportunity for corruption as is evidenced by Un Young Kim and others. I have been in the martial arts for over 43 years now and have seen more than my share of corruption, immoral behavior, and what might be construed as criminal behavior. Why would I want to subject my students to the whims and behavior that has been exhibited in the past by national organizations? National organizations and "ruling" bodies are something new in the martial arts. They are not traditional, they have no basis in history, and are in my opinion simply a mechanism where a select group of people can exert authority over another group of people and place themselves in a position where they can profit from the hard work of others. If you go back in time what you did have were individual schools or systems of martial arts run by an individual, not the national government. Heads of systems were not voted on or appointed by members. If they produced good students the system or style continued. Is it possible that there are crooks out there who take advantage of unsuspecting individuals? Of course, but that does not mean they are not or can not be members of a national or international organization who are crooks and scoundrels. I have seen my share in both camps. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Redirecting into a wall To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:32:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Glad to hear that it worked out Craig. There was a gentleman here in > Indiana who did a similar thing, redirecting a rushing attacker into his > pick-up. Unfortunately, the attacker managed to break his neck and the > defender (an aikido guy) got ten years for manslaughter. :( I strongly suspect that there is much more to this story... or the poor fellow had a very bad lawyer representing him. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:38:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Richard Chun Book Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I know that some of you out there in DD land deal in martial arts books; ie trading them, selling them, etc. I am looking for Richard Chun's book "Advancing in Tae Kwon Do". I can find it online but I don't think I want to pay $65 for it.. That's kindof steep for me. If anyone out there has a good copy of it and is willing to let go of it for a fair price please email me and hook me up! Thanks James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest