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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. re: the axis of evil (Bob Banham) 2. Chilsong (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. The Axis of Evil (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 4. Hwarang and the Moo Duk Kwan (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 5. Re: Hwarang and the Moo Duk Kwan (Ray) 6. Walk like a Warrior (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 7. Advancing in Tae Kwon Do , By Richard Chun (Jeff Ellstrom) 8. Re: Axis of Evil (Klaas barends) 9. Re: Plz HELP...Looking for a Program / Webpage .... (jakskru) 10. RE: Re: Subliminal Martial Arts Learning (Kip McCormick) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:55:40 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: the axis of evil Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Brooke, You prove my point! Bob Banham Martial Arts for the 21st Century Bob Banham Director Chilsong Ltd Oak House, High Street, Cawston, Norwich NR10 4AE UK bob@chilsong.com www.chilsong.com tel: mobile: 44 (0)1603 872077 07748066992 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Chilsong martial arts 300dpi colour logo.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:46:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chilsong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Banham I am familiar with the philosophy of Chilsong. The reason I ask is because Chilsong also refers to a family of Hyungs created by Grandmaster Hwang Kee of the Moo Duk Kwan. I was wondering if you had any connection past or present with the Moo Duk Kwan. Second. Grandmaster Hwang Kee named the Hyungs Chilsong not because of a folk legend but because the north star was used as navigation and so should the Hyung be used as navigation in training. You mentioned Ursa major but you may want to examine Ursa minor as well. Respectfully \\\<> JC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:56:11 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The Axis of Evil Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Axis of Evil >Mr. Banham- >I can understand some of your students reluctance to >travel to N. Korea...I can just see getting pulled out >of line, hours of questioning, searches, and all that >fun (and being a "trained" martial artist) coming back >into the U.S. or U.K. with a N. Korean stamp on my >passport... >Brooke Thomas We should not forget that the North Korea government is a brutal and criminal government. Their crimes are well documented and they have been an enemy of the USA for decades. They are currently threatening the peace of that region with talks of developing nuclear weapons. When you spend money there, you are helping them achieve their goals....If you wish to visit a country rich in KMA, you should visit South Korea. John --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:59:58 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hwarang and the Moo Duk Kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray At the 50th anniversary of the Moo Duk Kwan many people from the Hwa Rang were present. I too ask the question ...what is the connection? The answer I got was that the Hwa Rang People practiced Soo Bak Ki. Which is where we in the Moo Duk Kwan school under its founder get the name Soo Bahk Do. It was translated from the MYDBTJ. many of the Techniques we practice today are directly translated from the MYDBTJ. For example: Do Mal Shik (Paint Smear method) Tago shik (beating the drum method) Yo Shik (shake method) Hwak Kuk (seize and smash method) I suppose the closest relationship between Hapkido and Soo Bahk Do is the practice of Ho Shin Sool. What is the relationship between Hapkido and Hwa Rang history This is not an area I feel completely confident in please give me your prespective. JC --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hwarang and the Moo Duk Kwan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:56:17 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > At the 50th anniversary of the Moo Duk Kwan many people from the Hwa Rang were > present. I too ask the question ...what is the connection? Maybe we are talking about two different things. I know of no people from the Hwa Rang alive today.?.?. Now, HwaRang Do is Joo Bang Lee's trademarked and/or copyrighted brand of Hapkido, but I do not think his group is thought of as the Hwa Rang. > The answer I got was that the Hwa Rang People practiced Soo Bak Ki. Which is > where we in the Moo Duk Kwan school under its founder get the name Soo Bahk > Do. It was translated from the MYDBTJ. many of the Techniques we practice > today are directly translated from the MYDBTJ. For example: > ... > I suppose the closest relationship between Hapkido and Soo Bahk Do is the > practice of Ho Shin Sool. What is the relationship between Hapkido and Hwa > Rang history imho, none. Just as Hwang Kee liked the name Subakki and decided to use it to distinguish the MDK flavor of Tang Soo Do from other TSDs, Joo Bang Lee liked the name HwaRang and borrowed the name to give his Hapkido kwan and his flavor of Hapkido a unique name. I don't believe we really know what unarmed martial arts the HwaRang learned and praticed. We know that subakki existed, but know nothing (for sure) about what it was like or if the HwaRang practiced it or not. ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:45:24 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Walk like a Warrior Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff wrote: Therefore, I would postulate that being a warrior, as I alluded to above, is about far more than just being martially proficient. ... Although I do agree that you should have some martial ability, I would further postulate that the greatest "fighter" can very much be an ineffective warrior in life, or in other areas which I believe one should be. Warriors of old, Japanese as well as Korean (the Sunbi, Hwarang) had many components that made up their "warriorness". I think you are looking at this just a little shallow. Having said that, I think you need to be able to "smack down" when needed but it is not the whole makeup of the warrior. My reply: First, let me say that is the nicest and gentlest reply I've ever seen. Jeff, I don't know you at all but already I admire you. Nice job! I think we do disagree, but probably about terminology, not about the spirit that should be behind the arts. I certainly admit that my definition of "warrior" is a gross simplification. I just disagree with the idea that martial artists are necessarily warriors. I also wrote: > There was a gentleman here in Indiana who did a similar thing, redirecting a rushing attacker into his pick-up. Unfortunately, the attacker managed to break his neck and the defender (an aikido guy) got ten years for manslaughter. :( Ray replied: I strongly suspect that there is much more to this story... or the poor fellow had a very bad lawyer representing him. My reply: Could be. I heard about the story secondhand, but the impression I got was he really did not want to hurt the guy. It sounded like a mune-tsuki style attack that the aikidoka dealt with by performing ikkyo with a tenkan movement and that he just forgot the truck was there. The guy's head went into the side of the truck, his neck snapped, and he died. I don't know a lot about the law, but manslaughter seems to be about the shortest sentence for that. It doesn't require intent or premeditation. Anyone else care to jump in and comment? As for the sentencing, it could easily have been the result of the aikidoka saying the wrong things, ie: 1. I had performed this maneuver hundreds of times and knew exactly how it should work. 2. Ikkyo is the most effective technique, so I used that one (ie. there others I could have used, but I chose not to). 3. The attacker and I had been fighting and were pretty angry. etc. I'm of course guessing a lot here -- wish I knew more about this one! Take care, Dakin --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Ellstrom To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Advancing in Tae Kwon Do , By Richard Chun Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Out of "Tae Kwon Do Times" March 2005 issue. To order this book you can call ( 201 ) 569-3260 , it is only 45 dollars. Good luck ......... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Klaas barends Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:28:53 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Axis of Evil Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I can understand some of your students reluctance to > travel to N. Korea...I can just see getting pulled out > of line, hours of questioning, searches, and all that > fun (and being a "trained" martial artist) coming back > into the U.S. or U.K. with a N. Korean stamp on my > passport... You don't get a N. Korean stamp in your passport. As soon as you enter the country, they take your passport, and you get it back as soon as you leave. I believe that as a U.S. citizen it is next to impossible to visit N. Korea. I wouldn't mind taking a look there. As soon as the North collapses I will start a HKD dojang in Pyongyang. :-) -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Plz HELP...Looking for a Program / Webpage .... Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:21 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net your joking, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Jilcott" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Plz HELP...Looking for a Program / Webpage .... > Hello. I have been reading the Dojang for some time.... but haven't > sent in much,.... > I ran across a website that had a program that states that it could > 'transfer' the knowledge of a blackbelt > 3rd I believe.... into your brain thru a 'sublimital' program thru the > internet.... --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Subliminal Martial Arts Learning Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:59:50 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tim's Indian name translates loosely to "stands with a sucker..." Kip >From: "tim walker" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Subliminal Martial Arts Learning >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:49:11 -0500 > >Michael: > >I am a firm believer in subliminal learning (sucker). It can easily >replace years of hard work (sucker), practice, diligence, humility >(sucker), a high-fiber diet, and a good woman (sucker). Kip McCormick >(sucker) taught me the secret of life (sucker) through subliminal learning >(sucker) , and if you send (sucker) me a dollar (to cover shipping and >handling, of course), I'll share it with you (sucker). If you still have >your doubts (sucker), I believe that subliminally (sucker) is how Craig >Stovall (sucker) got so smart, and Ray Terry got (sucker) so handsome. > >timo >"Dolor Temporarius, Gloria Aeterna, Cicatrices (sucker) Virgines Placent" >(Pain is temporary, Glory is eternal, Chicks dig scars) >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest