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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Mr. Sims' advice (Ken McDonough) 2. Re: Several items (J R Hilland) 3. Re: John Pellegrini and False Claims (kikbut@joimail.com) 4. Re: Age and injuries, from Steve (Steve Roberts) 5. respect (J R Hilland) 6. Moo Duk Kwan in the UK (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. MC and the Ki Hop (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. YUSOOL - Korean Martial Arts Seminar (Fred Gommels) 9. Re: Mr. Cushings comments about John Pellegrini (Self Defense America) 10. 2005 US TKD Won Chips (Ray) 11. Kihaps (Ray) 12. Food eating (Ray) 13. Old fogies in hapkido (Burdick, Dakin Robert) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Sims' advice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The great Mr. Sims provided this salient and sage advice: Response: 1. Like the Liquid vitamin idea. Goes along with: 2. Alcohol and coffee. Need it baby. Keeps the joints loose and stretched. 5. Got the ammo and arsenal set up. Taking the concealed weapons class. With the AK-47, Ruger Security Six, and Glock strapped, don't know if I need to work on the forms. Just practice at the range, right ? Also, the only forms I like are at the 50-50 Club down on Broadway. You should see this one lady I met last week. Man, talk about forms !!!!! Like my man, Ving Rhames the new Kojack, sez = Who loves ya Baby ! Big K down Texas Way !! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:28:16 -0500 From: J R Hilland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Several items Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was that close. :) <<>> --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "kikbut@joimail.com" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: John Pellegrini and False Claims Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:29:49 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net BOW! Master Vic, Your pettiness... I mean envious is abundant on your Fortune 500 web site. http://www.modernhapkido.org/id19.html However, I am however impressed by you many years of long-hard-dedication to your martial arts training! Here's a nice quote from your web site to live by: "There certainly are highly skilled teachers who seem to sometimes be too humble. If simply training for years is the goal and being good at what you do is self fulfilling, with teaching as its own reward, why take any rank? Or why stay at a rank lower that what you actually are in skill and time in grade. There are some terrific teachers who out of respect for their own Grandmasters wil not take take that title. That is an honorable personal choice. Once your children have children you are a grand father. Once your students become masters you are a grand master perhaps by definition whether you choose to use the title or not. Certainly if you have a living teacher you still train with in your style out of respect you would not take that title." Train Hard Master Vic who was a former member of GM Pellegrini's ICHF! Round 2 your turn! "silver dragon" Wayne Spencer-present member of ICHF --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Roberts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Age and injuries, from Steve Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Bruce, Holcombe and everyone for your responses. They have been very helpful. To answer some of your questions: My goals (in no particular order): To learn an art, self defense and get a work out. I'm not concerned with belts. My injuries: I think this little anecdote will describe my dilemma: After a couple months of PT for a bulging disk in my back, the therapist said I could start up hapkido again...just no jumping, falling and very easy on the kicking! And this was before I tore some cartilage in my knee. I've been off from classes for the last few months and can't have the surgery until late summer. It's not a question of training too hard; Pain and fear of further injury keeps me from doing half of what we do in class. I can't stand being the training partner who is saying: "I can't do this, easy with this, etc." It feels unfair to the others, but maybe that is the route I must go. Intake of stuff: I don't drink alcohol or cola but could lighten up on the coffee. The wonderful thing about Hapkido is that it is so vast. When in Minneapolis last winter I took some private lessons in strikes with Dylan at his Hwa Rang Do dojang. (my body can handle that just fine). It was great stuff Thanks Steve --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:51:36 -0500 From: J R Hilland To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] respect Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I honestly do not think that is true. I have a great deal of respect for my contemporaries and seniors in hapkido and other arts. Would it not bother you that: Someone calls you on the phone and offers you a 5th dan in an art you have never studied just to increase membership in their organization? Jumps from one organization to another continuously just to obtain dan rank as fast as they can? That a student never bothers to put the time in rank, nor spends the time to learn technique, fundamentals and basic motion? That a student changes the name of the art instead of learning the whole art? Hapkido is a complex art and takes a long time to learn and a life time to master. Good hapkido technique can't be developed overnight or through some magical means. It takes a lot of time on the mats. No one is judged by their rank; but by the technique, knowledge of someone holding that rank, and time in rank. What I do not have a lot of respect for, is someone who has the paper and not the time in rank, the technique or the knowledge. It happened all the time. A dan promotion is a recognition of technique and time in rank. In other words, technique + application of hapkido principles + time in rank (repetitive practice of technique) = a certain level of competency. When such simply white belt concepts as the theories of basic motion, good ki extension (ki finger/ki hand), and the repetitive practice of technique are missing the results are obvious to those with a certain grasp of the fundamentals of the art, but not necessarily to those who are not familiar with the art. After all, there are certain underlying principles in hapkido that all hapkidoin should posses. But those on a fast track, miss the boat. Dan ranks are not a commodity to be bought and sold at will. I used to keep a folder of all the letters, notes from phone calls, etc., of those who offered me dan rank and promotions who I turned down. It is sad that these things even happen. I have turned down single and double promotions. It is my technique I am concerned with, not my rank. Does it bother you if one of your taekwondo chodan leaves to go to another taekwondo dojang as they are offered a 2nd or 3rd dan? Then they move to another dojang or organization to obtain a 4th or 5th dan? In just a matter of a couple of years your student now outranks you on paper, but does their technique justify that rank? Would you accept the rank of someone of the street who holds dan rank in taekwondo, yet never actually attended a taekwondo class? As a taekwondo teacher, you can tell in the first 5 minutes when someone visits your dojang what rank they really are, not what their paper says. Well, this is just not true for taekwondo teachers. It took me 31 years to obtain a 6th dan in hapkido. I am right on track. Each dan took me a lot of time (practice on the mats). Does it bother me to see someone who hold dan rank in hapkido and has no time in rank, no grasp of basic motion? Yes it does, and it should, because I worked very hard for each and every colored belt and each and every dan. Just my opinion. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:55:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moo Duk Kwan in the UK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Nessworthy Have you heard of Robert Hedges Sa Bom Nim. Master Hedges is in Machester, and Master Robert Salter I am not sure of but I tested with Master Robert Salters and Master Russell Howells all are from the UK. JC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:33:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] MC and the Ki Hop Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read GM Ho Sik Pak (great Warior) also has a video series which gives another opinion. Master MC gave reference to the founders of the Hyungs, This is good advice. As for the way they are practiced in the Moo Duk Kwan. HC Hwang would most likely be the most accurate. I know Master Pak. I remember meeting him at many nationals and again at the 50th anniversary of the Moo Duk Kwan in 1995. He is a good teacher and practitioner. but what did he do to deserve the title Grandmaster. He earned his Sa Bom certification in the Moo Duk Kwan. His certificate is signed by Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim. So is mine and several thousand other people. He left the organization for political reason, created a name to call his new organization. That should not warrant the title Grandmaster. I know many, many, many people senior to him that are not Grandmaster. Now he offers his opinions, and creates variations. That is why you have people like Ken asking where are the ki Hops in a hyung. I don't want to sound up tight, but legitimacy of rank, and title are important to me. It seems everyone wants rank and the title to either say look at me, or to make money by pretending to be something they are not. The truth is, It is hard to know who to believe anymore because everyone seems to know it all. Rank is good but it is being abused. Sorry to get on a soap box JC --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Fred Gommels" To: "DOJANG DIGEST" Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:23:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] YUSOOL - Korean Martial Arts Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net YUSOOL - Korean Martial Arts Seminar Saturday, June 4 MARTIAL ART FITNESS CENTERS, INC. 2849 S. Broadway, Rochester, MN • (Across From Shopko S.) 507-281-4335 • www.mafci.com INSTRUCTOR: Professor John E. Chambers Martial arts pioneer of 50 years Secretary for the USA Chapter of the Korea Yudo Association in 1967. National Yudo Representative for the Republic of Korea Yudo Association. USA representative of the Korea Yusool Association headquartered in Pusan, S. Korea. Advisory board member of Korea USA Simmudo Association: www.simmudo.com Founder and president of Martial Arts USA. www.martialartsusa.com SEMINAR CONTENT: Strikes • Joint Locks • Submissions • Pressure points • Throws • Strangulations FOR MORE INFO: Seminar info: www.mafci.com/upcomingevents_yusool.shtml Yusool background: www.martialartsusa.com/yusool.htm Fredrick J. Gommels KOREA/USA SIMMUDO ASSOCIATION Martial Art Fitness Centers, Inc. 2849 S. Broadway Rochester MN 55904 507-281-4335 www.mafci.com www.simmudo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Self Defense America" To: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:51:21 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mr. Cushings comments about John Pellegrini Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Cushing, if you think so little of John Pellegrini and his organizations why did you join his organization and accept a 5th Dan certificate from him? As to your comment about wanting to hear from him and also saying he should spend more time on the mat. Well, maybe in your infinate wisdom you failed to realize that he conducts seminars just about every weekend of the year, instead of taking time to make defamatory remarks about others on the internet. As to his credentials listed on his website. Did it ever occur to you that someone else does his site and that maybe that person is the one who mistakenly refered to the Korea Kido Association vs. the World Kido Federation. Just food for thought. I also find it funny that you and many others will make negative statements about his rank which was given to him by GM Seo, yet you yourselves also claim rank awarded to you by GM Seo. I don't see how you can hold such a double standard. Making statements about somenones rank also makes a statement about the person who awarded that rank, in this cas GM Seo. So everytime I read a negative statement about John Pellegrini's rank I can't help but feel as though the person who made the statement is also showing a great deal of disrespect to GM Seo. Just my thoughts, I don't expect anyone to agree. It is what it is. Jason Landaas --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2005 US TKD Won Chips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2005 United States Taekwondo Won Junior and Senior National Championship June 17-18, 2005 Anaheim Convention Center Anaheim, Calif (across the street from Disneyland) Hosted by the California Taekwondo Association (www.catkd.com) 310-791-2970 info@catkd.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kihaps Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Master MC gave reference to the founders of the Hyungs, This is good advice. > As for the way they are practiced in the Moo Duk Kwan. HC Hwang would most > likely be the most accurate. True, for Soo Bahk Do. Otherwise I'd say JJ Kim since he is by far the most senior MDK practitioner. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Food eating Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Learn Hwa Rang Do's food eating tactics... :) ---------------------------------- Voices STD - 4/8/05 By Libby Pearson and Jenn Barnes April 8, 2005 in Voices Chicago Maroon Student Newspaper of The University of Chicago [snip] Monday, April 11 The Wushu Club, Hwa Rang Do Club, and Genkikai Ki-Aikido Club will demonstrate martial arts and food-eating tactics from Japan, China, and Korea all week. Today is an information session on the clubs and their particular styles. (noon, Bartlett Quad) --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:07:16 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Old fogies in hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't think I quite qualify as an old fogie, but I'm getting there. I'm 42 and I have changed a lot about what I do in the arts. I do conditioning on the elliptical machine and incline trainer three times per week, and then hapkido three times per week and iaido once per week. My hapkido has greatly changed and looks a lot more like kenpo now. I work on striking and flowing about 80% of the time, jointlocks about 20% of the time. I rarely work on rollouts and the like (I did those for about 20 years, so I still remember how) unless I'm being thrown. My healing time is a lot slower, and I bruise easier. Got a broken nose at lunch time two years back, but other than that I'm doing ok. I don't practice finger locks much (afraid of arthritis) and don't take any KOs and few chokes. Most of the guys my age are done. One has a bad back, another separated both shoulders (one with a simple roll-out!), and several others have either family or business commitments that preclude training. So I tend to train with the 18 to 25 year old crowd, and have to be careful that the young dudes don't hurt me too badly. But like most people here, I'm addicted to the training, and would be really unhappy if I gave it up. Besides, I think it is the only thing keeping my body going at this point! :) Good luck to you! Dakin --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest