Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:05:37 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #154 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Jere (Frank Clay) 2. Correction to JC (Frank Clay) 3. Taiwan wins silver (Ray) 4. Master Titles (Ken McDonough) 5. lurker popping his head up (Alan Jay Weiner) 6. Satellite Schools (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 7. Re: Satellite Schools (Martin Von Cannon) 8. Two U.S. Athletes Reach Round of 16 at Worlds (Ray) 9. Upcoming Han Jae JI seminar (David Beck) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:43:22 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jere Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere, The definition you cited is accurate... in English. The term is not used in Korea. I have received that information from Native speakers who are martial arts experts (6+ Dan). --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:52:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Correction to JC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You said: FOURTH- the difference between him and Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim, and the other original five Kwan leaders. is that they (the five originals) assumed rank out of necessity. Because no one had rank. Master Pak and others assume the title because they chose to leave an organization over political reasons or they got there feeling hurt, or didn't get there way, or what ever reason. Um... Lee, Won Kuk held Shotokan (3rd dan in a 5 dan system)and I believe Ro (right name?) held Shudokan rank. Now I'm not trying to be a Korean mind you but I am the Kwanjang of KOMA-USA. In English my title is executive director. My martial arts title is Master. I do not go by master. I have my own thoughts about the term grandmaster and maybe when I'm much much older I'll consider it. Until then, no thanks on being referred to as that. In fact, I consider "master" a hat that I sometimes wear. My name is Frank and these is what I go by except for formal circumstances... so please I know you are being respectful but call me Frank. I think its pretentious to insist on being called Master Clay at every turn (no offense intended to those of you who prefer to use this title more regularly... just my preference). For the record, I am not upset. I simply strongly disagree with someone being judged, someone I know well, by someone who has issues of what he has done. Master Pak DID get rank from Hwang Kee. That is not in dispute. What I am disputing is that you indicated he promoted himself and that is simply untrue. f. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taiwan wins silver Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taiwan Wins Silver Medal At 2005 Taekwondo World Championship CNA News By Elisa Kao 2005/04/14 21:33:57 Madrid, April 13 (CNA) Chinese Taipei has won its first silver medal of the competition at the 2005 Taekwondo World Championship being held in Madrid, the Chinese Taipei Amateur Taekwondo Association reported Wednesday. Su Li-wen won the medal in the women's lightweight division after being defeated by a Mexican fighter in the first day of competition. Lee Yi-yang, Cheng Chiu-lung, Wu Yen-ni and Yang Wen-chen will represent Chinese Taipei in the men's and women's flyweight and middleweight divisions Thursday. The Chinese Taipei team, led by Wang Su-yun, president of the Chinese Taipei Amateur Taekwondo Association has sent 16 athletes to the 2005 Taekwondo World Championship, in which 126 countries are competing. The championship will run through April 17. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Titles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Master Titles and So Forth. This subject about Master Titles and Supreme Master got me thinking. I once had a good teacher in Hoboken, New Jersey. The teacher's name was Mr. Bates. Well trained in urban street techniques and Shorin Ryu. It was hard for me to call him Master. The title Master coupled with his last name always embarrassed me. Something I will never get over. Oh well, stay fit. Ken McDee --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Alan Jay Weiner To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:19:33 -0400 Organization: Technology 21 Subject: [The_Dojang] lurker popping his head up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been lurking here for several years; I studied Kempo in the mid-80s, then stopped "for a few months" when my daughter was born in 1993 - longest "few months" in history; I returned to studying martial arts in 2001... I"d moved away from the Kempo school (which had also been sold and switched affiliations, so it wasn't "my school" any more...) I tried a local Tae Kwan Do school (5 minutes from home - way nice!) - loved the folks; great school, but discovered I like Kempo better than TKD. The TKD school had a Hapkido instructor for a while - that was *way* cool and I liked it a lot. Alas, the Hapkido classes were small, and the instructor was driving an hour each way to teach, so they stopped after a few months... Unfortunately, I couldn't fit hour-away classes into my schedule (kids, wife, mortgage, work - all those real-life intrusions - so I didn't follow the Hapkido instructor at his own school) During that time I signed onto this list, and have lurked since then. (After the Hapkido classes ended for me, I switched back to Kempo - starting as a white belt again, and re-earned my Shodan last December. [first time was in 1990] Based on the "adding rank" thread, I guess I *could* call myself a 2nd degree BB *big grin!*) Anyway - sorry for the long introduction! (and a hearty "hello" and wave to anyone here from Carrasco's!) I've been watching a bunch of Jye's video links - some of them are just astonishing! Many funny, some absurd, and some are demonstrations of just fascinating skill. I've downloaded many of them for study. Jye, thanks for posting them! Please continue to do so! The real prompt for this email though, was a comment from back in February: >It's very difficult for Kung Fu stylists to compete in none kung fu tournaments as many of their forms are longer then 3 minutes. For instance Sifu Rondie Chen out of rodchester NY does drunken, and one form is about 45mins and if I'm not mistaken that's only the first part of it. I used to compete with a Choy li fut butterfly knives form (twin short swords) and I had to cut out a big chunk of it just to make it to 3 mins. When I read that, my mouth dropped open. The thought of a 45-minute form is enough to send me screaming! One of the things I *don't* like about Kempo is there's too many forms (I currently have 14 empty-hand forms, a Bo (staff) form, and a short bokken (wooden Katana-like sword) form. I feel like I'm *good* at 4 or 5 of them, and will eventually *master* 1 or 2 - at (now age) 50, I just won't live long enough to master all of them - and there's more to learn as I advance!!) I can't imagine the effort to learn and become proficient at a 45-minute form! Makes me realize how little I really know... All the best to everyone here! - Al - -- -- Alan Weiner -- alan@ajw.com -- http://www.ajw.com Palm OS Certified Developer --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:21:34 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Satellite Schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a new subject that I'm sure will fire up a few responses. Have any of you had black belts that wanted to go on their own and open up another school? And if so, did that black belt keep their ties with you and open up their school in conjuction with yours? Did/Does that black belt pay you any monthly/yearly fees; ie. you got a certain percentage of monthly dues from that satellite school? This is NOT a situation that is happening to me by the way. I'm just curious at how most of you handle this situation. I see this as a more common practice with Korean instructors than Americans for some reason. But, I would like to know what ya'll think. Thanks. James Morgan www.gtkda.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Satellite Schools From: "Martin Von Cannon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hmm.....No. It has not happened to me. I am the one doing it. I run my school, but the parent school is in Florida (I'm in Washington). I do not pay them anything aside from the testing fees. They do supply me with materials, at a reduced rate. So indirectly I am paying them I guess. I do keep in contact with the parent school. -- Martin Von Cannon Instructor Tacoma, WA. Dojang A Black Belt is more than something you wear. It's more than something you earn. A Black Belt is something you become. > Here's a new subject that I'm sure will fire up a few responses. > Have any of you had black belts that wanted to go on their own and open up > another school? And if so, did that black belt keep their ties with you > and > open up their school in conjuction with yours? Did/Does that black belt > pay > you any monthly/yearly fees; ie. you got a certain percentage of monthly > dues from that satellite school? > > This is NOT a situation that is happening to me by the way. I'm just > curious at how most of you handle this situation. I see this as a more > common practice with Korean instructors than Americans for some reason. > But, I would like to know what ya'll think. > > Thanks. > > James Morgan > www.gtkda.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Two U.S. Athletes Reach Round of 16 at Worlds Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Two U.S. Athletes Reach Round of 16 at World Championships April 14, 2005 ustu.org Women's flyweight Jesika Torres (Stockton, Calif.) and men's middleweight Antony Graf (Miami, Fla.) both reached the round of 16 Thursday before losing at the World Taekwondo Championships in Madrid, Spain. The 16-year-old Torres, competing at her first Senior World Championships, defeated Venezuela's Ana Rosales (4-1) and Indonesia's Neta Raha Dewi (2-1) before losing a 4-3 decision to eventual bronze medalist Nevena Lukic of Austria. Wang Ling of China won the women's flyweight gold medal by defeating Spain's Brigitte Yague in the final. Daynelli Montejo of Cuba claimed the other bronze medal. Graf drew a first round bye, then defeated Nouradine Tidjani Ali of Nigeria (7-4) in the second round before dropping a 9-7 decision to Turkey's Bahri Tanrikulu. The men's middleweight division was won by Korea's Seon-Taek Oh, with Spain's Jon Garcia taking the silver medal, and France's Bruno Ntep and Iran's Yossef Karami winning bronze. In men's flyweight action on Thursday, Tim Thackrey (Tarzana, Calif.) had a first-round bye, then won 7-6 over China's Zuo Yi before being ousted by Stephen Jennings of Great Britain, 3-2. Seok-Hwa Ko of Korea won the men's flyweight gold medal, defeating Iran's Behrad Khodadad in the final. Bronze medalists were Long Dinh Thanh of Vietnam and Dech Sutthikunkarn of Thailand. Women's middleweight Sanaz Shahbazi (Monument, Colo.) also had a first-round bye, but lost an 8-7 decision in the second round to eventual gold medalist Natalia Falavigna of Brazil. Great Britain's Sarah Stevenson was the silver medalist in the women's middleweight class, with Spain's Aitziber Los Arcos and Korea's Sun-Young Jung claiming the bronze medals. Competition resumes on Friday with the finweight and welterweight divisions competing. Two-time Olympic gold medalist Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) will try to reverse the fortunes of the U.S. team thus far. Lopez will face a tough opponent in Korea's Chang-Ha Jang in the first round of the men's welterweight class. Men's finweight Luis Reyes (Chatsworth, Calif.) received a first-round bye and was slated to face a fighter from Krygzstan in the second round, but that fighter has since been disqualified. So Reyes will automatically advance to the third round (round of 32) where he will face the winner of the match between Teddy Chene of Tahiti and Stefan Tobisch of Austria. In the women's competition on Friday, finweight Mandy Meloon (Sugar Land, Texas) received a first-round bye and will face either Kutlo Chobokoane of Lesotho or Azra Zukanovic of Croatia in the second round. Sixteen-year-old welterweight Brittany Nickolyn (Dallas, Texas) faces an opening-round match with Marjolijn Abbink of the Netherlands. The World Taekwondo Championships, featuring 918 athletes from 124 countries, run through Sunday. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: David Beck To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Upcoming Han Jae JI seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I will be hosting Dojunim Han Jae Ji on June 11-12 for a 2 day Sin Moo Hapkido seminar. For more information visit http://www.beckmartialarts.com/Ji_flyer.html David N. Beck dnbeck@beckmartialarts.com http://www.beckmartialarts.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest