Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 03:05:18 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #157 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. about lopez fight (gaby noufaily) 2. Do it yourself rank? (Tkdsid@aol.com) 3. Bruce Buffer interview, not KMA (Ray) 4. Re: Re: Okay, but what about the Other shoe??...... (Ray) 5. Public Practice During Travel (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 6. Re: dont drink and throw (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 7. AP update from Madrid (Ray) 8. more Madrid info (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "gaby noufaily" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:25:22 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] about lopez fight Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I saw the fight live on Tv, the score was 3-3 and when they were playing the sudden death, the spanish fighter initiated the attack and Lopez countered it but no one touched the other, suddenly a point appeared and went to Lopez, it wasn't fair that lopez win like this, if you see the fight it was great but the ending wasn't wonderful, here the spanish team and all the supporter were not happy and they complain to the committe of the world taekwondo federeation, but i don't know what happened, but i know that at the final between Lopez and the iranian the match was postponed for about 30mn, the committe whas talking to the US team but no one knew what happened there, because the spanish fighter who lost against Lopez was ready to fight but it wasn't his match it was lopez and the iranian. so i have no idea what was going on and i heard now that lopez won, i didn't see the match, they cut the broadcast.congratulations to the USA and to Lopez, he is a great fighter and he deserves to be a champion. gaby --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:27:04 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Do it yourself rank? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As these things stand now, usually staying power and size of an organization affects its respectability. Soooo...ITF,WTF,Budokan,even Tiger Shulman...all because of the size and durability of their networks, affect respectability and acceptance of the dan ranks they confer. As to others that self ordain, I am now being excessively redundant in saying this is an outgrowth of a lack of central supervision. In short, since their is no law against it, I truly hope more people abuse the way things are and make themselves 25th dans if they want! I feel its the only way all of us will say "enough is enough"! I used to know this kid that confered rank using a new organizations name without the master knowing it. He conferred an 8th dan on me in taekwondo. Funny, since he holds no rank in tkd himself and i am 2nd dan wtf! To defend the way things are now is to say.."nahhhh I haven't had enough BS yet!" Sid --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce Buffer interview, not KMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FWIW, UFC fans will know of Bruce Buffer. ----------------------------------------- Recap: Bruce Buffer Exclusive Interview 24Wrestling.com by Tim Stein April 14, 2005 Recently, "The Voice of The UFC Octagon" Bruce Buffer joined Tim, Doc, Jeff and Jason to talk some Ultimate Fighting and Mixed Martial Arts. David Thomas started off by asking Bruce about his relatively unknown background as a fighter before becoming an announcer and what circumstances led to his decision to leave the world of fighting and to move into the role of announcer. Bruce related his extensive credentials in the martial arts of Judo, Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do as well as Jujitsu Do. He also told how he had been surrounded by business from the age of nineteen having been involved in around twelve different self-started corporations including home security, motivational speaking and even running gun shows. However, it was injuries sustained from fighting, a reunion with his long-lost half-brother Michael and Michael's work and potential contractual conflict with WCW that led to his current field of employment. In regards to Bruce's handling of Michael's appearances with WCW, Tim asked about the over-use of Michael and whether the decision to become more of a regular took away from the uniqueness of the idea ! to have Michael working with WCW. Bruce agreed but made it clear that the decision was totally up to Michael and while from a marketing perspective it was a bad decision he could hardly fault him for wanting to do what he enjoyed. A great discussion then sprung up when comparing the differences in popularity, marketability and overall presentation between UFC, MMA and professional wrestling. Bruce cited that it was a conscious choice by UFC to remain distinct from professional wrestling by focusing on the reality of their product and removing the cliche standards of professional wrestling like the promo interviews. He also noted that what makes UFC unique is that they are learning to market themselves on-the-fly as they grow. Unfortunately mistakes will be made, exemplified by the early dependency on Tito Ortiz, but their current success stems from a focus on creating personalities and getting exposure through guys like Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell. Bruce also mentioned the success of the 'Ultimate Fighter' reality series as another marketing coup. Click here to check out WTR's archived shows, interviews and video content. Delving further into the personalities of UFC, Doc asked about recent incidents involving certain UFC fighters and how difficult it is to balance out the sometimes heated nature of the business and the struggle to popularize the product. Bruce admitted that there is a fine line between the freedom to let the fighters perform and the necessary structure of a UFC broadcast. Bruce addressed the issues surrounding Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock as well as "Tank" Abbott, where their behavior crossed the line and what steps were taken as a result. Tim then asked whether the appearances of people like Shamrock and Abbott in professional wrestling ultimately helped or hindered UFC. Bruce felt that Shamrock's work was a positive but that Abbott had failed because he was out of his element and wrestling was more of a weakness than strength for him. He did feel that making a fighter out of a wrestler would be a greater success than making a wrestler out of a fighter. David asked whether a cr! ossover would prove beneficial to either UFC or professional wrestling. Bruce, quite honestly, gave up two reasons why there would never be a meeting of the two fields. David then asked whether the recent rash of thuggish behavior associated with UFC stemming from incidents pertaining to talent as well as the reality television series was something that UFC and MMA saw as a problem and detrimental to the image they are striving towards. Bruce made it clear that the incidents, while definitely not favorable, need to be taken in context. The reality television especially may be providing an inaccurate portrayal of the UFC environment to generate viewer interest. Putting on his best investigative journalist hat David tried to grill Bruce for a scoop on the 'Ultimate Fighter' reality series finale. Unfortunately Bruce said that he knew just as much as the viewers but he was absolutely impressed at how the whole package has been marketed and built to support the Randy Couture/ C! huck Liddell pay-per-view the week after the finale. Bruce was! then as ked what he thought about a possible backlash against the winners of the reality show similar to that of the winners of the WWE's 'Tough Enough' competitions. Bruce said he thought the two situations were totally different in that the UFC reality fighters were put through rigorous training and were initiated into the sport the proper way. Access the interview directly by clicking here. Stepping away the fight talk David asked Bruce about his experiences making the final table at a World Poker Tour event, which professional players he admires including some celebrities who surprised him and his upcoming work on a poker project involving his UFC persona. As the interview drew to a close Bruce addressed the upcoming 'UFC 52' pay-per-view. He gave his assessment of both fighters citing their strengths and weaknesses, gave his thoughts on the choice of the odds makers and told the listeners, in his opinion, what qualities an absolutely solid fighter possesses. Without being overly committal Bruce also put forth his prediction for the outcome of the Randy Couture/ Chuck Liddell fight. As a last note Bruce was asked his advice for anyone wanting to make a career as an announcer. Characteristically the answer was honest and forthright as had been every answer given by Bruce Buffer. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Okay, but what about the Other shoe??...... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Correct for a couple of the kwan heads like Lee Won-kuk and Ro > Byung-jik. But not correct for Hwang Kee and other kwan heads. ...." > > But putting to one side Who had rank, I am understanding that NONE of these > folks actually had what we would consider today to be sufficient rank to > provide for a functioning hierarchy. Difficult to say, imho. Lee Won-kuk was apparently a 3rd Dan in a system that only went up to five. The kwan founder who disappeared during the Korean War, whose name escapes me right now, apparently was a 5th Dan in another system. So they were fairly high ranked, esp in those days. I recall seeing VERY few instructors over 4th or 5th dan in the early 70s. Now it seems that 9th and 10th dans are popping out all over. But I agree in one sense, the only art that they could have taught that would have been truely a Korean art would have been Taekkyon, and we know that it was almost lost to time due to lack of interest. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:09:18 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Public Practice During Travel Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net lol...glad you didnt have any weapons on you, bert. coulda been a MUCH different type of fun! yes, i was a little concerned the police would be called. one of our seniors took one of the kids to the ground after he jumped up on her post seminar aching back, putting strain on her sore leg muscles...lol. he deserved it and the parents were laughing, but strangers wouldnt know any better. however, it seems that folks are pretty laid back in the south and go with the flow. lotta looks, but no po-po, thank God. looking forward to seeing you when we finally meet up. tell jann hello, pls :) take care, mel > -----Original Message----- > ditto. i know our group certainly had a ball. we were throwing eachother > around in every parking lot or pit stop on the trip back home, practicing > new > things we'd learned. we sure did get some looks from bystanders. > > so far it looks like everyone wants to come back next year so we'll have > an > opportunity to sit and BS a bit :) > > take care, > melinda Greetings, ma'am... First, sorry I missed y'all in Jackson... Hopefully we can get up that way for a tournament this year... Second, your comments about practicing while traveling brought up a fond memory... "Way back" in 2000, when I was only a red belt, we drove from Arkansas to Atlanta for the Battle of Atlanta, primarily so our demonstration team could compete. We stopped at a convenience store just east of Memphis, and were out stretching our legs (since we were driving straight through), and naturally we started practicing the demo. It included a fair amount of self-defense and falls, etc. We practiced for about 10 minutes before the police arrived (we had no weapons, it was all empty hand :)... Apparently the convenience store attendant was freaked out, and probably thought we were going to storm the store any time... :-) We talked to the officer, who thought it was hilarious, wished us a safe trip, and went on his way... :) **bows** - Bert Edens, II Dan TKD Springdale, Arkansas Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:13:57 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: dont drink and throw Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/12/2005 3:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: P.S. <>...yah, you might spill your beer! i know for a fact that this is not true across the board. i have thrown one of my students, with a beer in his hand, on several occasions. he has yet to spill a drop as he truly detests alcohol abuse (spilling one's beverage). i marvel at his skill :) and now, i'm off to our monthly margaritaville...good weekend to all, mel Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] AP update from Madrid Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Montesinos, Sin Win Taekwondo Titles Saturday, April 16, 2005 (04-16) 13:20 PDT MADRID, Spain (AP) -- Ruben Montesinos of Spain took the men's heavyweight title at the World Taekwondo Championships on Saturday, and Sin Kyung-hyeon of South Korea won the women's gold with a knockout victory over Iniabelle Diaz of Puerto Rico. Montesinos, who trailed Morocco's Abdelkader Zrouri at the end of the first round, recovered to secure a 7-6 victory in the fourth round. Sin secured her victory with a knockout blow in the first round against Diaz. Kim Jae-sik of South Korea took the men's bantamweight title with a 5-3 victory over Marcio Wenceslau of Brazil. The women's bantamweight gold went to South Korea's Kim Bo-hye, who defeated Zeynep Murat of Turkey 8-7. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] more Madrid info Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lauren Cahoon Reaches Quarterfinals of World Championships April 16, 2005 USA Taekwondo U.S. heavyweight Lauren Cahoon (Miami, Fla.) advanced to the quarterfinals of the women's competition on Saturday before finally losing a 7-5 decision to eventual gold medalist Kyung Hyeon Sin or Korea during the World Taekwondo Championships in Madrid, Spain. Cahoon recorded wins over Kiriaki Kouvari of Greece (7-4) and Laetitia Larcher of France (4-2) to reach the quarterfinals. The silver medalist in the women's heavyweight division was Iniabelle Diza of Puerto Rico. China's Riu Liu and Belgium's Laurence Rase took the bronze medals. The other three U.S. athletes in action on Saturday all lost in their first matches. Women's bantamweight Eleni Koutsilianos (Astoria, N.Y.) received a first-round bye but then lost to Brazil's Debora Nunes in the second round, 5-4. Bo-Hye Kim of Korea won the women's bantamweight final over Turkey's Zeynep Murat, while Egypt's Helmy Eman Ahmed and Canada's Orphee Ladouceur claimed the bronze medals. Men's heavyweight Steven Ostrander (San Antonio, Texas) also had a bye through the first round, but dropped a 7-5 decision to Strechan Yvheni of Belarus in the second round. Ruben Montesinos of Spain captured the gold medal in the men's heavyweight class, Morocco's Zrouri Abdelkader took the silver, while Bo-Hye Kim of Korea and Basile Leonardo of Italy won the bronze medals. In men's bantamweight action, Brian Gallagher (Littleton, Colo.) lost his opening-round match to Sachuk Siarhei, 7-5. Korea's Jae-Sik Kim won the gold, Brazil's Marcio Wenceslau took the silver, and bronze medals were claimed by Israel's Llan Goldghmidt and Turkey's Kivanc Dincsalman. Competition concludes on Sunday with the men's and women's featherweight divisions. Siblings Mark and Diana Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) will compete for the U.S. Their older brother, Steven, won his third straight world championship title on Friday in the men's welterweight division. Mark Lopez will face Germany's Erdal Aylanc in his first match, while Diana Lopez will match up with Mariam Bah of the Ivory Coast. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest