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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hapkido ???? (Bruce Sims) 2. Re: The other shoe....... (Bruce Sims) 3. Re: Training Goals?? (Bruce Sims) 4. 3rd Dan (Frank Clay) 5. Re: substitue for HWA RANG DO (TAE SOO DO) (Jye nigma) 6. no costly lessons needed :) (Ray) 7. Madrid info (Ray) 8. rank, why does it matter? (Kevin Luttrell) 9. Battle of Tra Binh Dong, Korean Origins of the U.S. Marine Corps MA Pgm (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido ???? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Howard: Gees, Guy, how much time ya' got???? I would love to answer your question but before I do I think we need to correct what might be a misconception on your part. ".....Given that you post occasionally about how some of the "traditional" styles of hapkido might be better off calling themselves Daito Ryu AJJ if that's what they purport to be....." No thats not the jist of my position at all. The point that I am stressing to make is for people to get off the fense and quit trying to have it both ways. On the one hand people want all the trappings of the Japanese arts. Some people have made a real "thing" about Choi Yong Sul studying DRAJJ. There is even one Hapkido instructor who represents himself as a 9th Dan in Korea, who went to Japan and studied Japanese sword and brought it back to Korea, gave it an exotic name and passes it off as "Korean Sword". The point I keep coming back to is that if people want to follow a Japanese tradition thats fine. Just tell everybody up-front thats what you are doing, call it that, do it correctly and respect your authority back in Japan. On the other hand, if a person is going to do Korean MA then do THAT. Learn the Korean arts, tell everybody thats what you do and stand by it. But don't blow smoke up my pants leg about how you do one thing but its not a Japanese art, so you DON'T do something else. You do some bit over here but its not really a Korean MA either because the language, culture and practices get bent in some self-serving way. Now--- you asked me if I follow a Korean art and my answer is "yes". My introduction to what is called "Hapkido" or "Hapkiyusool" or KUK SOOL or etc etc etc was through GM Myung. His tradition is through Ji and Choi. But thats just the last (post WW II) infusion. There are at least four other events that infused material into what we call Hapkido today and I bust my hump to uncover as much as I can about that part of the traditions. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The other shoe....... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".......These new creations are different, but they have roots somewhere in history. Sometimes we know those roots, other times we don't. e.g. does Japanese karate come from the Ryuku Islands or from the Fuchien province? Or after the changes can we now call it Japanese?....." I understand that point and agree with it 100%. No question. The point I keep coming back to is the "duck-bob-&-weave" routines people pull for what we now call "Korean Martial Arts" to be not 'quite' this and not 'quite' that. Hapkido relates to DRAJJ----- but only to the point that Hapkido needs to be authenticated as something more than an activity some guy dreamed up. BUT--- it never 'quite' is related tight enough to be a full-fledged Japanese art requiring deference to Japanese authority. People want rank and standing in Hapkido in the manner of dans- and positions of authority--- just like the Japanese do it. BUT--- it never is "quite' like the Japanese because unlike the Ryu-s the people in the KMA barter for rank the way Wall Street trades stocks. People invoke Korean culture in the form of Neo-Confucian deference to people in a position of authority--- BUT--- it never quite gets around to those authority figures watching out for the people given into their charge. I have shared this material so many times that I am going to cut this off right here. Theres' no sense in me repeating myself yet another time. The true Korean traditions are disappearing because people are spending more time arguing with each other about who is doing one thing and saying another and the game is to catch the other guy up in a corner thats worse than ones' own.Guess everybody needs a hobby. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:26:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Training Goals?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Play fighters do not win in later life 15 April 2005 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition Web Links Lynda Sharpe, University of Stellenbosch Meerkats, Fort Worth Zoo Animal Behaviour '); if (navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Mozilla/2.") >= 0 || navigator.userAgent.indexOf("MSIE") >= 0) { document.write(''); } document.write('');// --> PRACTICE doesn't make perfect for duelling meerkats. Vigorous play fighting as a pup does not improve a meerkat's chances in important adult battles, dispelling the most popular theory to explain youthful brawls. As juveniles, many animals indulge in dangerous and energetically costly battles with litter-mates or other youngsters. Biologists have often assumed the rationale behind this play fighting is to develop the motor skills and coordination necessary for successful adult fights. For meerkats the stakes are particularly high as only the dominant male-female pair in a colony gets to breed. The others are condemned to mere nest attendant duties. Lynda Sharpe at the University of Stellenbosch, South Africa, studied a population of wild meerkats in the southern Kalahari desert in South Africa from 1996 to 2002. She followed 18 pairs of same-sex litter-mates, recording the number, frequency and outcome of play fights and the individuals' ultimate status within the group as an adult. She found that young meerkats who played frequently were no more likely to win play fights, adult fights or become a member of the dominant pair. Furthermore, meerkats showed no sign of improvement with extra play sessions (Animal Behaviour, DOI: 10.1016/j.anbehav.2004.07.013). Sharpe believes that while play fighting may not produce highly trained combatants it could have an important role in brain development. >From issue 2495 of New Scientist magazine, 15 April 2005, page 19 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:34:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 3rd Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, 3rd Dan in Shotokan is not a lower rank. Traditionally that system goes to 5th Dan only. fc --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] substitue for HWA RANG DO (TAE SOO DO) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've heard similar things about choi kwang do Jye randallrosa@comcast.net wrote: I've trained in West Los Angeles off and on for many years in Hwa Rang Do (Tae Soo Do). I love the art, but the teaching style was a little too negative, bordering on militant at times. At the end of a hard days work, thats the last thing I really needed. Just a little too much "martial" for my taste. Im looking for a similar style, so everything I have learned could be of benefit. I would like to train on the westside of Los Angeles. TIA randall --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] no costly lessons needed :) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net TotalVid ''Earns its Black Belt'' and ''Adds an Extension'' to its Video Download Store Library Monday April 18, 8:01 am ET Unveils the Most Comprehensive Collection of Martial Arts Instruction and Home Improvement Video Titles for Download Onto Computers NORFOLK, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 18, 2005--TotalVid, the leading video download store for action sports, anime, and travel enthusiasts, is now meeting the needs for an additional 51.4 million US enthusiasts by launching two new content categories - Martial Arts and Home Improvement - bringing the number of videos available to over 900. Martial arts enthusiasts and do-it-yourselfers can now join the 85 million action sports, anime and travel US fans, and download from TotalVid's expanded online library any of the exciting and informative martial arts and home improvement titles for as low as $1.99. Not everyone can afford expensive lessons at a martial arts studio. By downloading a video from the TotalVid web site, martial arts fans can enjoy practical visual instruction in the convenience of their home when they want where they want, rather than having to travel to a costly lesson for a given time. The Martial Arts category includes popular styles and topics such as Tae Kwon Do, Tai Chi, Self-Defense, Hapkido, Ultimate Fighting and Weapons. Home Improvement has gone from book-of-the month clubs, to public TV, to cable and now Prime Time. Now fix-it fans can learn how to lay tile, repair their cabinets and spruce up their living room with a new color by downloading a useful video from TotalVid that can be replayed if a step is missed. TotalVid's Home Improvement category includes helpful videos that include carpet and flooring, concrete, electrical, homeowner education, painting and refinishing, plumbing, stone and masonry, walls and ceilings, windows and doors, and wood and woodworking. "Since TotalVid launched in 2004, we have strived for two things - meet the needs of our customers who crave quality content, and to grow our library to satisfy more and more types of fans," said Karl Quist, General Manager of TotalVid. "Today's announcement comes at a great time too as Father's Day is quickly approaching, and people are looking for useful gifts which Dad can really enjoy, instead of just another typical tie." TotalVid Experience The TotalVid service is unique in that customers can select from over 900 videos for as low as $1.99. After unlimited viewing over a seven day period, these download rentals expire through digital rights management. Before customers spend over $20 on a DVD, they can download it from TotalVid for as low as $1.99. If they like it and want to buy the DVD version from TotalVid, TotalVid refunds customers the cost of the download. In addition, customers receive the permanent download version - free of expiration. About TotalVid Inc. Headquartered in Norfolk, Virginia, TotalVid is a wholly owned subsidiary of Landmark Communications, Inc., which also owns The Weather Channel. TotalVid is a leading video download store for action sports, anime and travel, offering millions of people what they want but can't get through traditional distribution channels such as TV, video rental stores and DVD retailers: instant access to over 900 legal, high-quality, low-priced videos in over 30 categories, with more to come in 2005. Other partners of TotalVid include Microsoft Windows Media (MSFT), ThePlatform and Akimbo Systems. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Madrid info Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Iran stands second at world taekwondo event Monday, April 18, 2005 IranMania.com LONDON, April 18 (IranMania) - Iran finished runner-up to South Korea in the 17th World Taekwondo Championships on Sunday. According to IRNA, Iran ranked second among 125 participating teams on 63 points while South Korea celebrated the title on 80 points and Spain, the United States, and Russia finished third to fifth with 55, 47, and 31 points respectively. The powerful Iranian team snatched one gold, three silver, and one bronze medals in men's competitions. Iran's women taekwondo players, who made their debut in the world meet, failed to stand on podiums. In under-72 kg, Iranian phenom and 2004 Olympics gold medalist, Hadi Saei, came under spotlight again, winning the coveted gold medal last Wednesday. Saei, who was suffering from a leg injury, booked a berth in the second round as he was drawn no confrontation in the opening clashes and his opponent from Estonia refused to appear on the mat. The Iranian prodigy handed his Swiss rival a humiliating 9-3 defeat in the second round. In a cutthroat quarterfinal match the veterans called early final of under-72 kg category, World Taekwondo Player of the Year 2004, Saei, managed to edge past South Korea's Song Hyum-mum 9-8. Spaniard Daniel Martinez, who was supported by over 4,000 home fans, was also victimized, losing to the world number one 12-6. Renowned Japanese player, Takahino Niimi, surrendered to his injuries he picked in the semifinal against Saei, leaving the mat in favor of his title-thirsty opponent. The red-clad Saei grabbed the glittering gold with a 5-2 victory over Russian finalist Alan Akoev. Carlos Vasquez of Venezuela and Niimi won bronze. Ali Tajik and Feizollah Nafjam from Iran finished runner-up last Friday. In -78 kg, Tajik, who had overcome representatives of Slovenia, Egypt, Russia, and Republic of Azerbaijan, lost to his American rival 4-3 in the final. In -54 kg, Nafjam edged past players from Thailand, Belarus, Japan, Australia, and Russia before his loss to a South Korean finalist. Behzad Khodadad and Youssef Karami handed the country one silver and one bronze last Thursday. In 58 kg, Khodadad lost to his South Korean opponent 9-7 in the final, standing second. The Iranian representative had already defeated players from Thailand, Argentine, Belgium, Malaysia, and the Philippines. In -84 kg, 2004 Olympic bronze medalist Karami failed to book a berth in the final as he was beaten by his South Korean rival 8-6. On his way to the semifinal, Karami had edged past representatives of Italy, Ireland, Denmark, and Turkey. BOYCOTT Iran's -62 kg taekwondo player, Mohammad-Reza Mehdizadeh, avoided appearing on tatami against his Israeli rival before the semifinal stage of the 17th edition last Saturday. Mehdizadeh, who made the decision as a gesture of defending Palestinian people, was eliminated as Ilan Goldschmidt advanced to the semifinals. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Luttrell To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] rank, why does it matter? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hypothetically, When I am honored with a rank by my instructor or my peers as many organizations seem to do these days in the higher dahn ranks. I consider it just that an honor and a responsibility bestowed upon me to improve, and continue my training and teaching. Why does it bother someone else, what rank I might be? or vice versa, Why would it bother me, what rank someone else might be? I have always been taught that training and accomplishments should not be compared with anyone elses. We all have a point where we begin, and the instructors responsibility is to lead me through training toward my own personal challenges. Success or failure is not guaged by someone elses accomplishment, it is my own accomplishment. I would like to post this article for a better idea. I believe this not only applies to GM Kim Soo's style but every style. BTW, I am not a Cha Yon Ryu practitioner but have met with GM Kim Soo many times and He and some of his students are good friends, whom I respect very much. The Stages of Training By Grandmaster Kim Soo, 10th. Dan & Founder, Chayon-Ryu Martial Arts Written by Sabomnim Graeme Cox There are three stages of martial art training, Physical, Philosophical, and Application. Although millions of people train, most stay within the first stage. First Stage: Physical The emphasis of training is how to use the body as a weapon, including physical skills and tactics for sparring, tournaments, and self-defense. This is Mu Sul In, a person training in the physical skills of martial arts. Most students quit training after a couple of years because their Instructors only understand and teach this first stage. Second Stage: Philosophy Emphasis is on deeper philosophical and mental values. Training includes breathing and meditation techniques to gain wisdom and strengthen willpower. This stage includes all subtle changes to a student such as creating a positive attitude, improved confidence and self-esteem, leadership skills, control and responsibility for own actions, and a deeper understanding of all things in the universe. The student understands the importance of this mental and physical balance. Third Stage: Application Application of all the principles developed through a student’s martial art training in every situation of their daily life. Training is only complete when the student understands all three stages. This is Mu Do In, an enlightened person who understands the true value of martial arts training. The original Grandmasters were highly educated scholars and philosophers who understood all three stages. Since that time, politicians, businessmen, and even religious leaders slowly changed martial arts to suit their purpose. They emphasized the first stage, and promoted tournaments, trophies, and sports to make money and gain international recognition. Since they did not understand all three levels, up to 80% of modern martial artists and Instructors have failed to develop the calm, kind attributes of their predecessors. All you need do is look at martial art magazines. You almost never see a calm, controlled, confident individual. The majority of the cover pictures are of men snarling with mean, ugly looks on their faces. The association of machismo with martial arts is based solely on first stage understanding. If these people ever moved through the second and third stages, they would understand how superficial was their present view of martial arts. Martial art training was designed to help you find "yourself." What is your potential? How can you use your body? How can you use your mind? How can you apply your training to improve you life? Without going through these three stages you never understand your full potential in life. Chayon-Ryu students need to promote martial arts correctly throughout the world. Chayon-Ryu is Sang Hwal Mu Do – lifestyle martial art, and you can help others by sharing your knowledge. People see movies and tournaments and think that is martial arts. They need to be educated that all they are seeing is the first "physical" stage. Enlightenment comes through understanding all three stages, not just the first. Master Kevin Luttrell Director The Martial Artist Foundation Springfield, Mo. Visit The Martial Artist Foundation Official Website at http://www.sporttkd.com or join The Martial Artist Foundation Yahoo Group for free and keep up on Sport Martial Arts events:= "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themartialartistfoundation/join"> --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Battle of Tra Binh Dong, Korean Origins of the U.S. Marine Corps MA Pgm Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting article. Dr. Kimm and Dr. Burdick cited as references... The Battle of Tra Binh Dong and the Korean Origins of the U.S. Marine Corps Martial Arts Program - by LtCol James F. Durand Lasting impressions of Korean Marines' martial arts skills led to the establishment of the MCMAP. http://www.mca-marines.org/Gazette/2005/05durand.html Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest