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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. college model for martial arts instruction (Tkdsid@aol.com) 2. Taekwondo athletes learn about different lifestyles and customs in trip to South Korea (Ray) 3. Changing curriculums (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 4. May 1 deadline (Ray) 5. Re: NKMAA Third Annual Hap Ki Do Seminar (Dewitt, Garrett) 6. An interesting way to think about martial arts websites (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 7. Dan Number VS worn rank (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Seoul to host 2006 SportAccord (Ray) 9. Re: An interesting way to think about martial arts websites (Ray) 10. AppKiDo (Ray) 11. Bridging the gap from technique to usefulness (john wedow) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:15:17 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] college model for martial arts instruction Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear colleagues, I have been long thinking about what the parallels might be for setting up central authority for martial arts and how it might be similar to how colleges are run. Here is an idea that some have applauded and others think is hairbrain. I think that if one examines the different things taught in all martial arts there appears to be some useful generalizations. There are areas such as grappling, self-defense, forms, physical fitness, meditation, philosophy, sparring, weapons, breaking, flexibility, kicks, punches, throws, arm locks and perhaps other categories. If martial arts were central, then one could elect to take each of the above components from different schools, styles and arts and upon passing all the required techniques( just as you do in college) you might get a black belt in Martial Arts or elect to get a black belt in one style as we do now. This works in college education...BA in liberal arts or a specialized area. Is this sound or stupid, I would appreciate your feedback. Sid --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo athletes learn about different lifestyles and customs in trip to South Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tae kwon do athletes learn about different lifestyles and customs in trip to South Korea. by Kyle Neddenriep News-Leader.com Several of Samantha DeArmon's ninth-grade classmates at Central High School know she's active in the martial arts sport of tae kwon do. "Most of them are impressed by it," said DeArmon, who became interested in the sport growing up while watching Jackie Chan movies with her dad. What her classmates might not know about are the opportunities that have been afforded her because of tae kwon do. DeArmon and five others from Springfield returned on Saturday from a 12-day trip to South Korea as part of a celebration honoring the 50th anniversary of tae kwon do. Though DeArmon took first place in forms, weapons and sparring for her age group, it wasn't the competition that she was talking about upon her return from overseas. "The highlight was interacting with people from a different culture," she said. "It was really a once-in-a-lifetime experience to be able to go over there and see what those countries were like. "It makes you appreciate the lifestyle that we have here even more. You take for granted the rights that you have as a U.S. citizen." DeArmon made the trip with two of her peers, Pershing Middle School eighth-graders Ryan Squires and Claire Hughes. All three are members of Harman's Tae Kwon Do USA, located at 2956 E. Sunshine. Owner and instructor Richard Harman, his wife Kelly and another adult student also made the trip as part of the American Tae Kwon Do Association. There were 500 ATA members in attendance from all over the United States. "They treated us like Olympic athletes," Kelly Harman said. "We were treated great our whole time there." After competing in Gyeongju City, Korea, the Springfieldians spent much of the remaining time sightseeing. "I thought the Great Wall was the coolest thing that we saw," said Squires, the Harmans' son who has been involved in tae kwon do since age 4. "Competing was fun, but going around and seeing the different cities was the best thing about the trip." Among the other highlights of the trip were traveling to Bejing, China, home of the 2008 Olympics, seeing the Forbidden City and the Ming Tombs. "I climbed 1,503 steps to see the Forbidden City," said Hughes, who finished second in forms and third in sparring for her age group. "It was really cool and the people were really nice to us." The three students each wrote letters to their school principals to get permission to miss two weeks of school. Each of them said they did most of their homework in advance of the trip. Although some of the trip's expenses were subsidized by the Korean government, the trip did cost more than $2,000 per person. Despite that, Richard Harman, 40, said the experience was one that he had been looking forward to for several years. "I loved it because I had always heard people talk about it and had wanted to go myself," said Harman, who started Tae Kwon Do USA 10 years ago. "Since this was the 50th anniversary of the sport, there was a lot of cultural significance to this event in Korea. "It was unique for us to be treated like we were." Harman also said the trip was eye-opening in other ways. In the metropolitan and tourist areas, the group saw a different part of society than they are accustomed to in the Ozarks. "There were peddlers and beggars at some places, and I know that the kids were probably uncomfortable with that," Harman said. "It's just different than what they are used to." DeArmon, Squires and Hughes each say that they each plan on tae kwon do being a part of their lives as long as they are able to keep competing. In addition to the physical benefits of the sport, Squires said it can also help a person in other ways. "It can help build your self-confidence," he said. "It's something that I want to do for the rest of my life." But it's not an activity that you have to start at a young age. Kelly Harman said she started learning tae kwon do when she was 32 as a way to exercise and stay in shape. Since then, she has competed all over the country and won championships in sparring and weapons. "My son started when he was 4 and I watched him for about six months," Harman said. "It became something that I loved to do very quickly." The trip from Springfield to Korea took about 20 hours total, including a 14-hour flight from Los Angeles to Gyeongju City. The group was on the run, sightseeing or competing for most of the 12-day trip. "I think we're still experiencing some jet lag," Richard Harman said. "It was a unique opportunity and a great experience ... and very tiring." --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:54:13 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Changing curriculums Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jim McHie wrote: > In other words, is there *any* point at which you would consider > dropping, or adding, a technique to your curriculum based on your > perception of its efficiency? Lots of people replied to this one, but since a lot of people came down on the side of tradition, I'm going to quote Rudy, ok? >I see no problem whatsoever teaching material that I absolutely hate for myself, because I have found a simple solution to this. I treat the material I have been passed as a whole unit... not pieces that can be discarded at a whim. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum about this one. Of course, I have the luxury of not having a school, and not needing to have a really consistent curriculum. I can change stuff from year to year, and grow and develop as much as my ego can handle. Like everyone else, I love to do techniques I've put a lot of time into and trained hard on, even if it has been demonstrated to me that those techniques are not the most effective. I still find myself enjoying doing t'aekwondo forms every year or so, even though I really don't think they are training what I need to train. [Send flames to me personally on this one ok? :) ] Now, I'm thinking that this should sound really familiar to Rudy, since GM Pak by all reputations was a guy who would change his curriculum every year. According to the various people I've spoken to, that was one of the reasons he could never keep a lot of students. The other reason, of course, was the extraordinary amount of pain he liked to hand out. :) And yes, I know that despite all of that, GM Pak did ok for himself. But he never had an empire like GM Suh, right? Anyways, I've found that the method has allowed me to get a lot better than I used to be, but because I treat "systems" as training exercises and not as absolutes, I tend to operate outside the bounds of systems these days. Some times it is hard to find people to play with, but when I do find people, we have a BLAST. So I highly recommend the method. I do, by the way, also recommend being damn careful about who you choose to do this stuff with -- there are a lot of charlatans and abusers out there. So when one is a beginner, it is often a good idea to start with a nice safe dojang with a good reputation. Maybe they don't make the best fighters, but they build the basics and they usually do it safely. And that's worth a lot! >The art is not just about fighting and/or self-defense, it also has a wonderful cultural part that makes it even more appetizing to many practitioners. Hmm. I agree that is more "appetizing" (ie. appealing to one's ego, and further ie. more marketable) but really if hapkido isn't about fighting, then why don't we all take up guitar? We'd be a lot more popular at parties! >The art we know has many facets, and in order to continue to whet the appetite of ALL, we should never disregard some applications because they do not fit SOME. And the advantage of playing "coach" rather than "sabum" is that I can tailor instruction differently for each student. Again, not cost effective, but I can give each student what they need. GM Yong-Shul Choi did the same thing, right? But of course he got paid more for his efforts too! Maybe I should start doing that! :) Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] May 1 deadline Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Deadline for World University Games Coaching Applications is May 1 April 26, 2005 USA Taekwondo will be accepting applications until May 1 for coaches interested in participating in an official USAT coaching position for the USA Taekwondo Collegiate National Team at the 2005 Summer World University Games in August in Izmir, Turkey. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:56:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: NKMAA Third Annual Hap Ki Do Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to thank Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman with his completion of another successful Hap Ki Do Seminar. Each year this seminar has grown in participants and the techniques/hyungs (Hapkido/Bong-Dahn Bong-regular hyungs) have greatly improved. I wish to also thank Grandmaster Timmerman's assistants, Mrs. Watson and those who traveled many miles to participate. The students and I intend to work very hard to make the needed improvements and to also work towards another successful and our Fourth Annual NKMAA Hapkido Seminar here in Brainerd, April 2006. Thank You Garrett KSB(tm) / NKMAA Member DEWITT MARTIAL ARTS Brainerd, MN. . --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:26:30 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] An interesting way to think about martial arts websites Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://maps.map.net/cat/Sports/Martial_Arts?ms=10;ap=0 Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:09:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dan Number VS worn rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Frank Let me ask you a simple question. If you had two students. One Cho Dan that started on January 1 2000, and One E-Dan that started January 1, 1995. The E-Dan which has a Dan Number some 5,000 lower than the Cho Dan who is his Junior by both Dan Bon and Rank. That E-Dan joins the service, gets married, has a baby, or just gets pissed at you and leaves your school. But for what ever the reason stops training, only to return some ten years later to train again. I believe he some retain his rank as E-Dan, and his Dan Number will in turn always be his. The problem comes when the Cho Dan has been a loyal student over those ten years and is now a Sam Dan. When the line up in class. Who lines up senior. The person that quite for ten years but has a lower dan number or the Sam Dan with the higher dan number. The answer is the Sam Dan. However if they are the same rank the lower dan number is senior. If this process does not happen you will be at an event with lines that look chaotic and out of order. There is a dan in El Paso, Texas that came to visit one of our regional events. He brought with him his dan card issued by Grandmaster Hwang Kee in 1961 #5621 (I think) but he was only a cho dan and had not been active for many many years. He was treated with the utmost respect and we treated him as a honored guest. but he was still just a cho dan. or should we have turned the clinics over to him and had the 6th and 7th dans step a side Like I said the rank worn around your waste indicates earned rank. Dan Numbers indicated seniority in time. We should recognize both, but they are not always the same. JC --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Seoul to host 2006 SportAccord Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Seoul to host 2006 SportAccord int'l sports convention Seoul (April 21, 2005) - Korea will host the 2006 SportAccord in April at the COEX Convention Center in downtown Seoul. With the full support of the Korean government and the city of Seoul, the World Taekwondo Federation won the bid to host the annual SportAccord during the 2005 SportAccord, which wrapped up its five-day event on April 20 at the InterContinental Hotel in Berlin, Germany. SportAccord, which started in 2003, is an international sports convention combining general assemblies of the General Association of International Sports Federations (GAISF), the Association of Summer Olympic International Federations (ASOIF) and the Association of the International Olympic Winter Sports Federations (AIOWF), and such international conferences as the International Olympic Committee (IOC) Executive Board meeting and joint meetings of International Sports Federations, along with exhibitions. The convention draws more than 1,000 global sports leaders to its open conference sessions, workshops, seminars, and scheduled networking opportunities. The first SportAccord was held in 2003 in Madrid, Spain, with the second one in Lausanne, Switzerland, in 2004. "We proposed holding the 2006 SportAccord tentatively between April 3 and 7 to capitalize on the huge turnout for the ANOC and IOC meetings. Furthermore the facilities have been set up for the abovementioned meetings, so it would be much more convenient and cost-effective to host the SportAccord exhibitions and conferences," said Dong Hoo Moon, secretary general of the WTF, during his presentation at the 2005 SportAccord in Berlin. Also attending the Berlin SportAccord were WTF President Chungwon Choue, who was reelected to a full four-year term of the taekwondo's world governing body at its General Assembly held in Madrid, Spain on April 12, 2005, and Tae Kang Roh, director of the International Sports Division of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism, who was representing the Korean government. The Association of National Olympic Committees (ANOC) is scheduled to hold its general assembly and other meetings in Seoul from March 31 to April 4, which will be followed by the IOC Executive Board meeting from April 5 to 8. The Korean government has already sent a guarantee letter to ensure the success of the 2006 SportAccord and the city of Seoul has also offered to contribute in the hosting of the convention, according to Moon. Korea's winning the right to host the 2006 SportAccord, sports analysts here predict, would greatly help taekwondo continue to remain on the official Olympic program after the 2012 Olympic Games. The IOC will decide on the issue at its Session in Singapore in July 2005. The hosting would also enhance Pyeongchang's bid to host the 2014 Winter Olympics, which will be decided at the IOC Session in July 2007 in Guatemala, they said. The IOC is scheduled to announce the candidate cities for the 2014 Winter Olympic as its Session in June 2006 in Lausanne, Switzerland. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] An interesting way to think about martial arts websites To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://maps.map.net/cat/Sports/Martial_Arts?ms=10;ap=0 A very interesting way to view things, indeed. But not sure why something like Kuk Sul Won wouldn't be nearer on the map to Hapkido and HwaRangDo. ??? Lots of old/broken links... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] AppKiDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://homepage.mac.com/aglee/downloads/ AppKiDo... A free reference tool for Mac OS X Cocoa developers, but you gotta love the name. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "john wedow" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:46:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bridging the gap from technique to usefulness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi everyone, I had an open question for everybody, but first let me put it in context. In martial arts, just like anything, there is technique and then there is skill with technique. For example knowing every play in football does not make you able to play football well by default. You have to develop the skill to actually use what you have learrned. Techniques in martial arts are supposed to be more efficient than flailing about wildly in a fight, and I believe they are. I know that repetition is the key to natural, reflexive movement, but I think that it takes more than just repetition of set techniques to be able to bridge that gap between the simulation of the dojang and a real fight. Personally I feel that the knowledge of techniques is secondary to developing the correct skill to execute them flawlessly. It is like technique is the difference between two fighters of equal skill, otherwise the fighter with more skill can dispatch their opponent with a well timed and simple attack. That being said, I know of one way my Hapkido school trains to cultivate this skill with the actual techinques that are drilled into the students. The exercise is called "Bull in the Middle", and it is set up with multiple people. One person stands relaxed in the center of the mat with a blindfold on, and 4 opponents circle around them in equidistant locations. The 4 Ukis are assigned numbers and the teacher will call out a random number. The Uki whose number is called will attack the Tori in a grappling attack and the Tori will respond as naturally as they can, with the restriction of only using defenses they have learned. More advanced versions dispense with the grappling and the Ukis attack the Tori with strikes and holds, as they see fit. The idea is that the Tori will start to flow their technique without thinking about it. This is one method we use to bridge the gap from set techniques to flowing attack and defense. The question I have to ask everyone is, are there any other methods you use to bridge that gap between set technique practice and real flowing attack and defense? respectfully, John _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. 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