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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re. Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il??? (Bob Banham) 2. Re: Re. Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il??? (Ray) 3. RE: Kids Kicking Cancer (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 4. RE: Rank (Luc T. Nguyen) 5. WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? (Richard Tomlinson) 6. no discussion? (john wedow) 7. Re: RE: Rank (Ray) 8. Funny (Ray) 9. event a success (Ray) 10. RE: Re: Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il ??? (Thomas Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:41:32 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re. Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well said Bruce. Thank you for furnishing facts it is obvious a lot of subscribers are completely unaware of. It is such a shame that some people wil believe their government implicitly rather than finding out the truth. Here is a portion of Nikki's journal with her thoughts after visiting DPR Korea: "DPR Korea made me think of George Orwell's 1984. It's a bit like a Stalinist theme park with grand monuments to Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, the Juche idea etc everywhere. This is in stark contrast to the slummy high rise flats ordinary people live in, and apparently the most privileged people live in Pyongyang. We didn't get to talk to, or even get close to ordinary people. There's no street lighting and hardly any traffic. People seem to walk everywhere, or travel on crowded trams or the underground (which we didn't see). Roads, pavements and buildings all seemed in a bad state of repair but there's no litter and no pollution. There's not much electricity or fuel either. North Koreans are only allowed North Korean television and radio, and have constantly been told of the Great Leaders superhuman feats and heroic exploits. The deceased Kim Il Sung has become like a god in the eyes of the people. At least that is the official line, judging from the magazines, television and other propaganda. If anyone thought differently I don't think they would dare say. The people only know what they've been told and they have nothing to compare their lives or their country to. They have been totally controlled for so long. It's sad to see but the country is getting more open so maybe change will come. It would be good if North Korea could become more democratic and free and still retain its unspoilt and unpolluted countryside. In principle, Kim Il Sung's Juche idea of self sufficiency, and trying to keep the culture pure by having no outside influence sounds very commendable. In practice it hasn't worked. We are all citizens of this planet and all countries and all people are mutually dependant for survival. Juche has helped fuel the suspicion and mistrust of other nations that DPR Korea suffers from. Apart from huge extravagant monuments, so much money is spent on Defense and the army instead of the people. This isn't questioned as everyone is taught to believe that it is necessary for their survival. We must remember though, DPR Korea was practically flattened during the Korean War. In the fifty plus years since, it has been totally rebuilt and this is quite an amazing feat. Although the only North Koreans that we really talked to were our guides I get the impression that, like the South Koreans, everyone wants a united Korea. I really hope it happens. Maybe if Taekwondo unites it will go some way towards helping with this process." Bob Banham --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re. Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il??? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 06:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Well said Bruce. Thank you for furnishing facts it is obvious a lot of > subscribers are completely unaware of. It is such a shame that some people wil > believe their government implicitly rather than finding out the truth. However, nothing that comes close, not even close, to what Kim & Son have done to the North. > In principle, Kim Il Sung's Juche idea of self sufficiency, and trying to keep > the culture pure by having no outside influence sounds very commendable. In > practice it hasn't worked. We are all citizens of this planet and all > countries and all people are mutually dependant for survival. Juche has helped > fuel the suspicion and mistrust of other nations that DPR Korea suffers from. > Apart from huge extravagant monuments, so much money is spent on Defense and > the army instead of the people. This isn't questioned as everyone is taught to > believe that it is necessary for their survival. Juche is simply a strongly imposed state religion, known also as Kimilsungism. Its NK promoters describe Juche as a secular and an ethical philosophy, but Juche is clearly a religion and far more overtly religious than Chinese Maoism or the old Soviet brand of Communism. Sorry, but IMHO there is nothing commendable there, esp given the scores of millions of people than have been intentionally put to death by those three brands of Communism. > We must remember though, DPR Korea was practically flattened during the Korean > War. In the fifty plus years since, it has been totally rebuilt and this is > quite an amazing feat. If you think that is amazing, check out the South. It incurred more damage than the North. Seoul had pretty much ceased to exist by 1953. Now Seoul is one of the great cities of the world. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kids Kicking Cancer Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:04:28 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Andrew, your story however brief really does help to put things in perspective. keep on kicking cancer! -----Original Message----- From: andrew swogger [mailto:ajswogger@hotmail.com] Sent: 02 May 2005 03:56 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kids Kicking Cancer >I was recently hired to teach tkd in a hospital for the acutely ill. This >entails teaching muk yum and its application to tkd to kids with cancer. >Rarely >do they make it to blackbelt, but this program lifts my heart and soul. >Recently we awarded an honarary blackbelt posthumously to a little boy aged >12 that >had gotten to brown belt before he died. This I feel is in the finest >spirit of >martial arts...truly the indominable spirit! > >Sid Sid, Thank you for what you are doing. As a survivor of childhood cancer, I know how much it must mean to those kids and their parents. Andy _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Luc T. Nguyen" To: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:48:20 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having reading everybody comments about Ranks, I have an interesting situation that I would like to get your opinions. I have an adult student whom I promoted to red belt, less than two years ago. He was a good red belt then. He moved away shortly after that so he did not come to class anymore. Last weekend, I went to visit a friend who live about 40 miles south of here. As we went out to dinner we saw a newly opened TKD school at a strip shopping center. The school was closed because it was Sunday night. We went to take a peek inside and to my surprise, I saw the picture of my student, in the uniform of my school but wearing a black belt. He is the proud new owner of that school. Better than that, on the door, he advertised himself as a 5th Dan Master. He is teaching among other things TKD, Kendo, Self Defense, Kick Boxing. I know for a fact that 2 years ago he did not know anything about Kendo or Kick Boxing. I did teach him TKD with some self defense as part of the curriculum. I know that there is no way he can go from beginning Red belt to 5th Dan in 2 years (unless he got it by mail or ... :-)) He is far enough away from my school. He did not put my name or my school name as part of his advertisement except for the uniform he was wearing in the picture. So, the question is should I say something or do something or just let "Buyer Beware" Luc Nguyen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:00:06 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We are sending some of our students to test for their first and second dans in a short while. So, I thought I'd put out the question of "What is a black belt?" and see what you all thought . I've been following the digest for quite a while now, and really enjoy everyone's inputs. They have certianly been useful! sandy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "john wedow" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:00:25 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] no discussion? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was interested in what other masters had to say about bridging the gap from technique in forms and self defense sets to instinctive usefulness in a real fight. Please check out my earlier post about bridging the gap. Respectfully, John _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Rank To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I know that there is no way he can go from beginning Red belt to 5th Dan > in 2 years (unless he got it by mail or ... :-)) He is far enough away > from my school. He did not put my name or my school name as part of his > advertisement except for the uniform he was wearing in the picture. So, > the question is should I say something or do something or just let > "Buyer Beware" A friend of mine was the brother-in-law of a TKD instructor friend of mine. He taught at one of the dojangs and was, I think, a 2nd Dan. When his sister and brother-in-law got divorced he wanted to open up his own fulltime school. Somehow he became a 6th Dan overnight. He claimed that it came from the KTA which I believe could be possible since he is Korean-American. But he also claimed to be a national champ, which I know was never the case. In his case he was a good instructor, especially with the kids. But he certainly isn't setting a very good example for those young minds. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Funny Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.dogjudo.co.uk/ Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] event a success Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Extreme taekwondo event a success, says organizer The Manila Bulletin Online TAEKWONDO is safe and fun. Don't take national taekwondo team instructor mainstay John Paul Ampongan's word for it. It's either that you visit his classes at the Virgin Mary Immaculate School and the Learning Child School Alabang, or get the news straight from the winners of the 1st Extreme Taekwondo Challenge, which Ampongan organized at the Atrium of the Megamall in Mandaluyong City recently. "The Korean martial art of taekwondo is safe and fun, both for beginners and old-timers alike,'' said Ampongan, a 3rd Dan black-belter, organizer of the Extreme Taekwondo Challenge. The tournament, backed by SM Megamall, Netopia, Peak Sports and Fishermen's Friend, is the first of its kind in the Philippines and Asia as it veered away from the usual combat-style of competition and focused on the techniques used in the sport and how they can be incorporated with music. Also highlighting this unique taekwondo meet is the kyukpa or the freestyle form of breaking either single or multiple boards. "A highly successful first offering deserves a second serving,'' said Ampongan referring to the second staging of the Extreme Taekwondo Challenge on June 12 and 13 at the Alabang Town Center, where he experts over 500 competitors. "The next tournament will definitely be bigger in scope.'' Ampongan takes pride in the fact that from the hundreds that took part in his tournament, from the eliminations at the Rizal Memorial Sports Complex all the way to the finals at the Megamall, not one was hurt during the course of the competitions, which had as distinguished judges Roland Campos, Monsour del Rosario and Lito Ong. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il ??? Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:16:39 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims, In regards to your call for us Americans to apologize for supposedly taking Korean gold, I struggle to apologize for something I didn't do, my father didn't do, and my grandfather didn't do. As far as I've traced back (1100's), none of my family had anything to do with gold mining. And I may be mistaken, but I seriously doubt the United States commissioned people to mine gold from Korea at the turn of the century. Some American's may have been there but I doubt it was officially doing US business. Japan basically raped the Korean land of it's resources...but not so sure about US involvement (as a country). In regards to the split of Korea, it wasn't a western idea....it was a concession between Russia and United States to help get the country back on it's feet after WWII. Of course that was more of a ploy and it was more an effort to spread USA/USSR individual political beliefs with the two remaining super powers of the world. The US pulled out quickly, perhaps too quickly. And we can't forget that France and China both had a big part in all of this. So I don't know where you get the idea the "Western powers" divided Korea with Russia, China, and France's involvement. Anyway, not really anything to do with martial arts but an interesting topic if it isn't slanted. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest