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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Rank (Jeff Yeagley) 2. Hyung influence in combat (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. Re: WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? (tim walker) 4. Re: The_Dojang digest, WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? (Raymond Navarro) 5. Re: Re. Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il??? (Jesse Segovia) 6. RE: Rank (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 7. Rivalry with the North (Ray) 8. Re: no discussion? (jakskru) 9. Re: Re: WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:54:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I know that there is no way he can go from beginning Red belt to 5th Dan > in 2 years (unless he got it by mail or ... :-)) He is far enough away > from my school. He did not put my name or my school name as part of his > advertisement except for the uniform he was wearing in the picture. So, > the question is should I say something or do something or just let > "Buyer Beware" Luc, it might be interesting to call him on it, if only to see how he would try to justify it to you. Twenty years ago I had a red belt from another school interested in joining ours because we are a Christian MA dojang. He decided to stay where he was, and got his black belt (I was a 2nd. dan at the time). A year or so later, one of my students saw he had his own school. His ads and literature claimed he was now a 4th. dan. When asked by my student how he moved up in rank so quickly, he shrugged and replied "all you have to do is get some certificates printed up." Sad, but not an isolated case, I suspect. I never saw him to ask him about it. His school closed in under a year. You can dummy a certificate, but you can't fake knowledge or ability over the long run. Sincerely, Jeff Yeagley Academy of Fighting Arts Business Phone: 816-525-5555 Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com NOTE: Over the next several days our site may be down temporarily, as we are in the process of deploying a new one. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:08:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hyung influence in combat Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I first began training I used to think forms were a waste of time. How come they help me defend my self. I have since come to realize they can and do help. I will give you a simple example. The Ki Cho Hyungs practiced by the Moo Duk Kwan, are also practiced in other organization, as well a variations. Ki Cho Hyung iLL Bu--- simply teaches a pattern and gives the student some simple techniques to practice. the Hyung only introduces the pattern to a beginner. Low Block and Middle punch) ki Cho Hyung E Bu-----simply re-enforces the pattern to the beginning student and gives them a new set of basics to practice bringing there awareness level up by using techniques that range from low level to the high level (Low Block, High Block, High Punch) Ki Cho Hyung Sam Bu- This Hyung allows the student to practice a concept with out thinking about pattern. The pattern has been learned and re-enforced in earlier hyungs. The concept now being taught is transition from stance to stance.(From back stance to front stance to horse stance) The smooth transition from one stance to another is then realized as the student practices one step sparring number 1 where they use three front stances, followed by a transition to back stance (kick) followed by horse stance The practice of one steps directly influences the students ability to spar. Although sparing and fighting are distinctly different. The focus, balance, awareness to targets etc. learned by hyung training are necessities in a fight. JC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:54:41 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net RT: A wise man with a funny accent once told me that a black belt is just a white belt who kept coming to class. Cheers. timo "Primum non nocere" --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all and be blessed. I am Ramon Navarro a HapKiDo Sabom that have been teaching Song Moo HapKiDo for 28 years in the country of Panama. I am another human being and far from perfect but a good martial artist and a better person every day for my own, my students and family thought geting older I still have much more to learn and this is the first job a Black belt haves from every day to every day for the rest of our lifes. I beleive that a Black Belt is a person that should be an example in his life for himself, his students, his family and his comunity. The second is to show humility but not be dumm thought still keep being loyal to his teacher, parents, kids, wife and himself. Then keep learning so he if have the posibility teach this benefits to others. This is a Black belt in short. HAP Ramon Navarro HapKiDo SabomNim Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo Panama City Panama 5. WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? (Richard Tomlinson) Message: 5 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:00:06 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We are sending some of our students to test for their first and second dans in a short while. So, I thought I'd put out the question of "What is a black belt?" and see what you all thought . I've been following the digest for quite a while now, and really enjoy everyone's inputs. They have certianly been useful! sandy   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:03:43 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re. Cheerleading for Kim Jong Il??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce Sims wrote: > I have never wanted to be the PR man for a souless despot. > But somebody's got to do it, right? > On the other hand I don't think we here in the States can ignore the > fact that we contributed quite a bit to the current situation in Korea. > Since the US has been a world power for a very long time its hand can be found in most situations, good and bad, that exist around the world. This hardly indicts the US for what Kim IlSung and his son JongIl, backed by Russia and China, chose to do to their own people. To extend your view, the South was 'victimized' by the US much moreso than the North, and having lived and worked for more than four years there I can tell you its citizens for the most part do quite well, despite what their prideful opinion of America may be. Jesse --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Rank Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:56:53 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I disagree with this line of thinking. It seems unnecessarily hostile and controversial. It would be wrong or impolite at least, to walk into someone's house or dojang and cause disruption. It would likely look worse on the intruder than the false instructor. The right thing to do is run your own school offer a better quality product (instruction) and win customers that way. I don't believe we should assume students/customers are not intelligent enough to recognize quality when they see it. I definitely would not recommend entering someone's else's property or place of business and causing trouble. Just my thoughts. Jason --- If this were my student. I would shut him down. Simply walk in on class night, and expose him to all the students and parents. I would also call to find out who issued him a 5th dan certificate and expose them too. If they then decide to continue they at least know whom they are dealing with. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Rivalry with the North Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net May 2, 2005 South Korean TV Show Invents Friendly Rivalry With North By GORDON FAIRCLOUGH Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SEOUL, South Korea -- The hottest Saturday-night TV program in South Korea this season has featured a quiz pitting elementary-school students from North Korea against kids from the South. The North Korean contestants -- models of socialist propriety, with identical white shirts and red kerchiefs knotted around their necks -- regularly beat their more-fashionable rivals from the capitalist South. The North's kids are good at math, nature and history. They know Korea's first capital was Pyongyang, not Seoul. They also can tell you that a cut-up sea slug will regenerate if thrown back in the ocean. The South Korean kids are stronger in astronomy, and did better naming famous inventors, explorers and musicians. The show, called "Exclamation Point," looks like a milestone in North-South cooperation, but it actually is a triumph of skillful editing. It melds footage from a quiz show aired last year in North Korea with scenes shot in a studio in Seoul, to produce what looks, at first glance, like a head-to-head competition. "Exclamation Point" is the latest in a string of South Korean TV shows and movies to portray Northerners as friendly, if a bit eccentric, while at times -- critics say -- glossing over unpleasant truths about the repressive Pyongyang regime. A recent hit film, for example, follows the comic adventures of two North Korean marines accidentally blown ashore in South Korea. As the pair desperately try to get home, they befriend a girl in trouble and rescue her by outfighting South Korean hoodlums. That's a drastic departure from the propagandistic depictions of North Koreans as blood-thirsty automatons poised to invade the South that dominated the South Korean media during decades of Cold War hostility and anticommunist military governments in Seoul. This pop-culture U-turn, along with warming relations between the Koreas, is softening South Koreans' attitude toward their erstwhile enemy. It is also widening a perception gap with the U.S. about the threat posed by North Korea, even as tensions mount over the North's nuclear-weapons programs. In a February Gallup poll, Americans identified North Korea, along with Iraq, as their country's biggest enemies. Polls of South Koreans, by contrast, find that fewer and fewer believe the North poses an immediate threat. During a visit to Pyongyang in 2003, Kim Young Hee, the creator of "Exclamation Point," saw a North Korean quiz-show series and was determined to bring it to the South. "In the South there is still an unnecessarily negative view of the North," says Mr. Kim. "I wanted to change that." The South Korean producers took footage from episodes that aired in North Korea last year and edited in new scenes shot in Seoul, on a set that is a replica of the North Korean stage. The producers have redubbed parts of the Northern emcee's dialogue to make it appear as if she is bantering with the South Korean host. Casual viewers often think the quiz is a direct competition, despite disclaimers to the contrary. Lee Jae Kyoung, a communications professor at Ewha Women's University in Seoul, says South Korea's media outlets have fallen in behind the government policy of reconciliation and cooperation with North Korea. He says he fears shows such as "Exclamation Point" will lead to a false "romanticization of the North." Mr. Kim, the show's producer-director, says he believes it "reflects the reality of North Korea." And he dismisses critics as "those who think of North Korea as competition, or even as the enemy." The show has many supporters, but also detractors. "If we don't see things like this, how can we change our views of North Korea?" asks Chae Yong Suk, a 31-year-old trading-company executive and fan of the show. "I think it will help shrink the culture gap between North and South." Other viewers, however, complain that the quiz show is unfair, because the quiz questions, which are drawn from the original, North Korean version of the show, favor the North and make the South Korean kids look bad. "Only a few Southerners, who have strange beliefs, think that we must learn about the North," says Lee Eui Kyum, in a posting on the program's Web site. The show reveals plenty of differences between the two Koreas. The dialects spoken on either side of the demilitarized zone have diverged. South Koreans have adopted many English words. North Koreans haven't. Sometimes, the show resorts to subtitles to explain what the Northerners are saying. The North Korean children seldom smile, and they often use military language. Answering a vocabulary question, kids from the North rattled off the words "arsenal," "military supplies," "platoon leader," "battalion commander," and "detached force." The South Korean children, dressed in colorful, brand-name clothing, laugh and joke with the moderator. In February, the show went on the road to film a series of special episodes at Mount Kumgang, a tourist area in the North that allows Southerners a drive-through safari view of life across the border. From the windows of their bus, the South Korean contestants caught glimpses of villages with thatched-roof houses and ox carts in the fields and armed soldiers posted along the roads. Ten-year-old Choi Joon Hyun says he was impressed by what he saw. "The people work together. They walk around together. They always seem to be together. I like that." He also observed: "On the South side, people waste a lot of energy. We go by car even short distances. Here, they save energy and go by bicycle everywhere." Another boy, Han Su Kyo, says, "I thought the people from the North would be very different." Now, he says, "I can see that we're similar. I feel like we are one people." That message is clearly a focus of the questions for the special episodes, which point out that North Korea, like the South, has a lottery and celebrities. Kids there also watch "Tom & Jerry." But while South Korea tries to embrace the North, educate its people about life there and expand contacts between the two Koreas, the Pyongyang government fights to insulate its people from Southern influence. Outside the hotel where the South Korean contestants stayed in the North, a sign carried an exhortation to North Korean workers in big, red letters: "Let's Keep Living Our Way!" --Lina Yoon contributed to this article. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] no discussion? Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:42:46 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net read this---and check out the website it came from....lots of info... http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=138 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john wedow" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] no discussion? > I was interested in what other masters had to say about bridging the gap > from technique in forms and self defense sets to instinctive usefulness in a > real fight. Please check out my earlier post about --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: WHAT IS A BLACK BELT? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > A wise man with a funny accent once told me that a black belt is just a > white belt who kept coming to class. This seems to sum it up the best... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest