Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:47:57 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #191 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: yudanja (Dana Vaillancourt) 2. Best wishes (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Master Cox: hyung and combat (George Peters) 4. yudanja (JR Hilland) 5. Black Belt (Bruce Sims) 6. Martial Arts in NK??? (Bruce Sims) 7. Re: Martial Arts in NK??? (Ray) 8. Re: yudanja (Dante James) 9. Re: Hyung influence in combat (jakskru) 10. Re: yudanja (jakskru) 11. Gen. Choi's obit (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 12. RE: Master Cox: hyung and combat (Rick Clark) 13. TKD Assoc Deregistered by Sport Commissioner (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dana Vaillancourt" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 02:40:06 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: yudanja Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere wrote: "... I NEVER practice forms and seldom sparring (not a pretty site in hapkido). Not into breaking things that are not human and moving either." Heck Jere. Exactly what do you do for fun then??!! I enjoy forms and sparring and break cause I'm not allowed to hurt people!!! :) Dana --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:49:44 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Best wishes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Randy writes: > I will be testing for my 2nd dahn in a few weeks. Best wishes in your test from your friends at NKMAA Randy. I know you will do well:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 01:15:52 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Cox: hyung and combat Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, The influence of hyung on combat? The points you raised are quite correct, to the best of my knowledge, it is much as I have been taught. This does pose a question though. I have also been taught that the only people in traditional TSD that can make up a form or introduce a technique are those who have employed the aforementioned in mortal combat. To me, it's almost like the "chicken and egg" question, but I would very much appreciate your views on this. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "JR Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 01:01:27 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] yudanja Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very true. Although I am partial to the non-form based ki arts, I have noticed this in taekwondoin and tangsoodoin. During the past 6 years I have known Master Rich Hodder, I have picked up new details in such simple techniques as a front kick, and I have been doing them for 31 years; in addition, I originally trained under one of General Choi's senior students. But, as in this example, Master Hodder knows how to move his center and his ki, that is the way he teaches and how he moves, although the terminology may be different, it is still ki. But sadly, no matter how hard he tries, he will never be a native Texan.:) BTW, comparing dan rank with levels of the academic educational system, just doesn't work for me. They are so completely different. Like comparing apples to oranges... This leads to a false understanding of what dan rank is. It is a fallacy, in that the conclusion does not necessarily follow the premise. In my opinion. JRH www.rrhapkido.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 05:40:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: "......You are quite right that as a 1st dan an individual is trainable, but >you equate them at a BS/BA level, for me that's a bit high. I would >think that its more like a primary school grade. For years I have been >told that you just start to learn at 1st dan and the longer I have been >in the martial arts the more I understand that concept......" I'm wondering how it is that so many of the definitions have to do with technical prowess and the amount of information one has relative to their chronological age. It seems as though people agree that an individual is expected to have some higher level of function if they are to be "jen-u-wine" Black Belts. Dosen't this include the ability to answer for their actions? How about the ability to commit to the support of their school or organization? How about demonstrating a desire for more than a mere superficial understanding of their art or practice? Anyone? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 05:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts in NK??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....I'm sure that much good can be said about 90% of the NK people while nothing good can be said about 100% of the NK leaders. Time to move on...." Did anyone ever get around to responding to the question about what sorts of martial traditions continue to be practiced in NK? Anyone? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts in NK??? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Did anyone ever get around to responding to the question about what sorts > of martial traditions continue to be practiced in NK? Anyone? I believe I asked Dr. Kimm this question, but my recollection of his response is fuzzy. I seem to recall him saying that the NK military had a basic type of unarmed combat they learned. But nothing like taekkyon was practiced or taught in the North. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Dante James" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] yudanja Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:36:48 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net But sadly, no matter how hard he tries, he > will never be a native Texan.:) And the down side of that is...........? :-) Have a great time in Korea. Peace Dante Dante J. James, Esq. www.denverata.com www.kimartialarts.com Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hyung influence in combat Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:43:53 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net now, this post kind of deals with the two earlier posts about bridging the gap between technique and actually using it in a free fight...only this made reference to one way TKD does this...i am still wondering if there are any drills or methods other than practicing defense against a partner that can be done in HKD.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Hyung influence in combat > > The practice of one steps directly influences the students ability to spar. > Although sparing and fighting are distinctly different. The focus, balance, > awareness to targets etc. learned by hyung training are necessities in a > fight. > > JC > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] yudanja Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:49:24 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Hilland, do you have any thoughts on ways to work technique into actual combat? by this i mean, for example, what can be done to incorporate say a wrist lock or armbar of some kind, or even a simple belt throw into practical and consistent use in sparring, other than by practicing one on one self defense? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JR Hilland" To: Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:35 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] yudanja > A yudanja is many things at many levels. I guess I am not a 6th dan by the > definition below as I NEVER practice forms and seldom sparring (not a pretty > site in hapkido). Not into breaking things that are not human and moving > either. Being a hapkidoin, we seldom do anything that is not self defense > practiced through application. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 14:52:07 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: , Subject: [The_Dojang] Gen. Choi's obit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >As a side note, Juche is a completely different form from Kodang, Not just a name change. Thanks Clint! Good to know! Dakin [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:46:33 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Cox: hyung and combat To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi George, > I have also been taught that the only people in traditional TSD that can make up a form or introduce a > technique are those who have employed the aforementioned in mortal combat. To me, > George Now I have heard it all! Someone is pulling your leg big time. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Assoc Deregistered by Sport Commissioner Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net May 06, 2005 18:47 PM Malaysian National New Agency Taekwondo Association Deregistered By Sports Commissioner KUALA LUMPUR, May 6 (Bernama) -- The troubled Malaysian Taekwondo Association (MTA) were deregistered by the Sports Commissioner effective Friday. Sports Commissioner Tan Sri Elyas Omar said the decision to deregister the association was made as the national body for taekwondo had become an obstruction to the development of the sport in the country. He said MTA had 30 days beginning today to appeal against the decision to the Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Azalina Othman Said. "After considering all the facts and the implications for the sport, I have no choice but to deregister MTA according to Section 20 (1)(e) of the Sports Development Act 1997," he told reporters at a media conference in his office at the National Stadium in Bukit Jalil. Under the law, the Sports Commissioner may revoke or suspend the registration of a sports body if the Commissioner is satisfied that the sports body is hindering the development of the particular sport and it is in the public interest to revoke or suspend its registration. MTA is a national body affiliated to the Seoul-based World Taekwondo Federation (WTF). Elyas also distributed to the reporters photocopies of the 13-page MTA deregistration report and the reasons for the deregistration. He said the trouble started last year and involved MTA affiliated members -- 17 full members and 49 associate members -- because the associate members did not have voting rights. "The associate members tried to fight for their rights by forming 'Associate Clubs of MTA' and 'Associate Clubs Committee'. "MTA responded by firing the club's founder. Following this, MTA president (Tan Sri Mohd Ghazali Seth) and his deputy (Datuk Mohd Nazim Abdul Razak) stepped down last November," he said. Following the two resignations, MTA held two extraordinary meetings in December and March and the biennial general meeting (BGM) on March 27. The aim of the extraordinary meetings was to amend the association's constitution and discuss the membership status, a formula by the Sports Commissioner to decide on the voting rights and the total votes for full members and associate members. "MTA handed over the proposed constitutional amendment to the Sports Commissioner on April 13. The Sports Commissioner was not satisfied with the amendment and believed MTA was trying to hinder the development of taekwondo," said Elyas. He said he explained what he meant by "hindering the development of taekwondo" at a meeting on April 26 between the Sports Commissioner and MTA representatives Ho Kam Phaw (president), Chin Mee Keong (chairman) and Yeap Swee Bee (secretary). "According to the MTA constitutional amendment, Article 5.8 read "Club shall mean a taekwondo club duly registered with the Sports Commissioner of Malaysia under the Sports Development Act 1997, whose instructors are registered with the Association and licensed to promote, propagate and teach the World Taekwondo Federation system. "While Article 6.4 read "The General Council may admit membership from duly constituted club as herein before defined. The General Council may at its absolute discretion deem fit admit a club as a member with or without voting right depending on the criteria the General Council may formulate from time to time." Elyas said Article 5.8 could be viewed as a negative approach based on exercising control by imposing conditions for approval of memberships while Article 6.4 would hinder the sport's development because of the veto right given to the General Council. "After the April 26 meeting, I still gave time for MTA to provide further clarifications but there was no effort to meet me again. "After considering this case closely in relation to the constitutional amendment, the Sports Commissioner has strong reasons to deregister MTA effective Today (Friday)," he said. MTA is the second national sports association to be penalised under the Sports Development Act 1997. The Malaysian Amateur Athletics Union (MAAU) was suspended from February to June 2002 over irregularities. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest