Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 03:04:32 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #192 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Han Wo-Ri Festival in Federal Way, Washington (Ray) 2. Kicks in TKD and HKD (Klaas barends) 3. Central coast AAU Chip (Ray) 4. Re: Kicks in TKD and HKD (Ray) 5. Lock and release... (Brooke Thomas) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Han Wo-Ri Festival in Federal Way, Washington Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... There will be a huge Korean festival this month in Federal Way, Washington over 200 cultural performers. please see link below. Sincerely, Tracy Stober MA International Relations --Korea University of Washington http://www.hanwoorifestival.org/_schedule/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Klaas barends Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 08:18:27 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kicks in TKD and HKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Up until some time ago I always believe that Taekwondo was partially based on Taekkyeon and that Hapkido had its kicks imported from Taekkyeon. However, I have been practicing Taekkyeon for some time now and I have come to the conclusion. The guy who imported Taekkyeon-kicks to make TKD or enrich HKD was either OR as bad Taekkyeon player OR a liar. That last bit is a bit blunt, but I honestly don't think that much if any from Taekkyeon can be found in TKD or HKD today. Anybody any comments? -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Central coast AAU Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 5th Annual Central Coast AAU Taekwondo Chip Saturday, May 21 Aptos High School 7301 Freedom Blvd Aptos, CA Contact Tim Dunphy at 831.722.0963 for more info. email: timothy@cruzio.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kicks in TKD and HKD To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 16:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Up until some time ago I always believe that Taekwondo was partially > based on Taekkyeon and that Hapkido had its kicks imported from > Taekkyeon. > However, I have been practicing Taekkyeon for some time now and I have > come to the conclusion. > > The guy who imported Taekkyeon-kicks to make TKD or enrich HKD was > either OR as bad Taekkyeon player OR a liar. > > That last bit is a bit blunt, but I honestly don't think that much if > any from Taekkyeon can be found in TKD or HKD today. The kicks of Taekwondo came from Karate-do (aka Tang Soo Do) and then evolved. The kicks of Gm Ji's Hapkido were influenced by taekkyon. If you view the Sin Moo HKD kicks you will note a similarity to taekkyon and much less similarity to Karate or Taekwondo. These days the kicks taught by the KHF are mostly Taekwondo-style kicks. I once asked KIM Nam-jea (in Seoul) about this, he put out the HKD videos endorsed by the KHF and he was also a student under Gm Ji back when he was a kid. He agreed that the original kicks found in Hapkido, i.e. Gm Ji's Hapkido, have been mostly replaced by Taekwondo-style kicks since TKD is so very popular in Korea. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Lock and release... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jakskru posted (and not to me of course but)... "do you have any thoughts on ways to work technique into actual combat? by this i mean, for example, what can be done to incorporate say a wrist lock or armbar of some kind, or even a simple belt throw into practical and consistent use in sparring, other than by practicing one on one self defense?" This reminds me of a question I asked to Master Steve Sexton who is a notorious bouncer in Los Angeles. I asked him if in all of his years in the bar business, how often did he use pain compliance techniques or locks (chicken wing, etc) to "escourt" unruly patrons outside. He said "never...what happens when you let them go? What happens if his buddies see you leading their friend outside?" Good question especially when the cops aren't right outside and you can't hand off the bad guy to them. In a different vein to locks, etc., he did relate another story to me of when he and his top student went into a convenince store next to their dojang. Some guy ran in, branished a gun, and demanded cash. Seeing two guys standing next to the counter, he pointed the gun at them and cursed them back. Master Sexton then feinted a heart attack (clutching his chest), the attacker was monentarily confused and dropped his guard, and Master Sexton instantly closed the distance and crashed a right hand into bad guy's face...THEN he held him face-down in a wrist lock until the police arrived. I am curious if anyone here has gotten someone into a lock in a real situation (not sparring) and how and when you let go of it? What happened when you let go? If they had just before said they'd be compliant, were they? Brooke Thomas Hapkido Blend --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest