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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. What is a Black Belt (Lois Knorr) 2. Hapkido in the Edmonton Area (Lois Knorr) 3. RE: Kukkiwon Certification (Master Mark Seidel) 4. Nomenclature (Texatc@aol.com) 5. Re: Nomenclature (Ray) 6. RE: Kukkiwon Certification (Master Lugo) 7. Re: Nomenclature (Neil Burton) 8. Re: Brief History of TaeKwonDo (Jesse Segovia) 9. RE: Mixed Up Martial Artist (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 10. Re: RE: Kukkiwon Certification (Ray) 11. Re: Sad perspective on martial arts, how (jakskru) 12. Re: Hapkido /TaeKyun (Beungood8@aol.com) 13. Re MMA (Beungood8@aol.com) 14. Taekwondo group may bring $2.5M (Ray) 15. RE: Kukkiwon Certification (Manuel Maldonado) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 01:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Lois Knorr To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] What is a Black Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you to: Rudy Thomas Gordon and sandy for your good wishes. On Saturday, I crossed the bridge from TKD coloured belt to TKD black belt. I believe that a black belt - is a white belt who has paid the price (in time, effort, personal sacrifice and/or money) - has become a morally different person through his training. How long a student trains and the level of proficiency required may vary among styles; among instructors; and from the past to the present. Regardless of the standards set, without some kind of standard, there is no goal to strive for. The ethical change depends on the instructor. If the instructor insists on a certain moral behavior from his students, then they will either conform to his requirements or quit. These requirements may be stated or implied; good or bad; in line with the society in which the student is taught or countering that society. I have trained for eight grueling years to attain a black belt in a somewhat obscure style of Karate. I have been coached for three and a half years to attain a black belt in an immensely popular international style of Taekwondo. To compare the two is like comparing London to Paris. Each has its own merits and its own drawbacks. I look forward to learning from the wisdom and knowledge represented by the posters on the DD and to some exciting mat time in Jackson this fall. Lois --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 01:41:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Lois Knorr To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in the Edmonton Area Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone on the DD know of a good Hapkido instructor in the Edmonton, Alberta, Canada area? I attended the USKMAA Fall Seminar last year and it has left me with a thirst for more :) Lois --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon Certification Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:09:33 -0400 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Your Kukkiwon certificate as well as mine was sign by Un Yong Kim who is presently sitting in a Korean jail. (Integrity?). The Kukkiwon Cert is a money making machine. If you have skills to teach, teach them and certify your own students. There are plenty of legitimate US organizations that you can become a member of that can provide you with legitimate American based certificates to present to your students. Master Mark Seidel Martial Arts /PE Program The Midtown Academy http://www.midtownacademy.org -----Original Message----- From: Private Email [mailto:private_email_01@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:32 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon Certification I am a Kukkion certified 4th Dan, and am currently in a U.S. national organization. I am not too happy with my organization and I am thinking I might want to discontinue my association with them. What options do I have if I separate from my U.S. national organization in terms of certifying my new Black Belts with the Kukkiwon? Sincerely, Hopeful Future Independent-ish TKD instructor --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Texatc@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:54:45 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Nomenclature Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net G' Day! I am a "brand new" Black Belt, aged 72, long-time lurker, occasional poster. I have a question re the name of my Art. Which is correct - Tae Kwon Do or Taekwondo? I see both used frequently and sometimes even interchangeably. Thanks, Ashley --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Nomenclature To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 06:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am a "brand new" Black Belt, aged 72, long-time lurker, occasional poster. > I have a question re the name of my Art. Which is correct - Tae Kwon Do or > Taekwondo? Taekwondo, Tae Kwon Do, Taekwon-do. All the same. Just use the construction used by your instructor or used by the org you're in. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: 11 May 2005 15:03:43 -0000 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Master Lugo" Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Kukkiwon Certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You do not need to be a member of any US organization to promote your students by the Kukkiwon, you can have them certified direct by mailing forms and applycations to Korea. Lugo Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:31:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Private Email To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon Certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am a Kukkion certified 4th Dan, and am currently in a U.S. national organization. I am not too happy with my organization and I am thinking I might want to discontinue my association with them. What options do I have if I separate from my U.S. national organization in terms of certifying my new Black Belts with the Kukkiwon? Sincerely, Hopeful Future Independent-ish TKD instructor --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Burton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Nomenclature To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir Therein lies the rub methinks. ITF seem to use Taekwon-Do, whilst WTF seems to use Taekwondo. To my mind Tae Kwon Do actually makes more sense from a Romanisation point of view, but all are (surely) correct Taekwon (or was that Tae kwon?) Neil --- Ray wrote: > > I am a "brand new" Black Belt, aged 72, long-time > lurker, occasional poster. > > I have a question re the name of my Art. Which is > correct - Tae Kwon Do or > > Taekwondo? > > Taekwondo, Tae Kwon Do, Taekwon-do. All the same. > Just use the construction > used by your instructor or used by the org you're > in. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:07:59 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Brief History of TaeKwonDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: > http://u.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,218~24209~2860224,00.html This is silly, the same old hype we used to get years ago. Everybody knows TaeKwonDo was invented at the Shaolin Temple. They had like thirty-six chambers - in each one you learned a new martial skill - and when you finished the last chamber you were certified a Master Killer. Well, there may have been one chamber where they practiced Mind KungFu that you didn't need to learn. But all martial arts were developed at the Shaolin Temple. A monk named Buck Dharma went to the Shaolin Template and was very disappointed to find the monks were in such poor shape they all fell asleep during meditation - even worse they couldn't kick the butts of the local brigands or wild animals who preyed on the monks when they went outside the temple to do their monk business. So Dharma immediately made up all martial arts techniques like the spinning heel kick, the shoulder throw and the Iron Palm. This helped the monks stay awake during meditation and kick serious butt on the brigands and wild animals, although in a non-violent, non-desirous way. The monks also used to play soccer with large boulders and levitate hundreds of feet into the air, but that's another story. Jesse --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Mixed Up Martial Artist Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:19:50 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Randall, do you have any more details on the size of the cop? I assume that he was fit. as I have mentioned once or twice that I love a game of rugby. I'm not saying its harder than TKD that I do but the dynamics are different to that of normal H2H. regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sexton [mailto:sextonr003@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: 10 May 2005 19:18 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mixed Up Martial Artist A 26 yr old, Big Island top-ranked welterweight in mixed martial arts blind-sided a cop and tried to run away after the police tried to break up a fight outside a club. The officer got up and chased him down and tackled him and was immediately jumped by several other men. Other officers pulled the men off the cop and the martial artist was arrested. If convicted, he faces up to 5 years in jail. Looks like he couldn't punch, run or resist being tackled very well! Randall Sexton _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Kukkiwon Certification To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net P.S. If you do this... make sure you send them an international money order made out to the Kukkiwon, and put your Kukkiwon Dan # on the application forms. Ray > You do not need to be a member of any US organization to promote your > students by the Kukkiwon, you can have them certified direct by mailing > forms and applycations to Korea. > > Lugo --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sad perspective on martial arts, how Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:11:32 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net just a thought...isnt HKD the result of crosstraining? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Clark" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Sad perspective on martial arts, how > Hi Ray, > > > > > One of the things I would argue is that cross training is the most > > > traditional thing we can be doing. The reason I say this is that a > > > couple of hundred (or more) years ago the people who were martial > > > artists would have been versed in various arts. They would > > have had > > > skill with armed and unarmed combat. This could have been --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:45:46 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido /TaeKyun Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/11/2005 6:54:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: There is one thing sure and it is that Grand Master or Great Teacher Ji, Han Jae as father of modern HapKiDo did learned this kicks for wich HapKiDo is known for today. He must have learned it from someone under some martial art so I beleive that he would really not have reason to lie about to say inventingf that what he learned is TaeKyun or Tae Ki Yun. There for I beleive what is sayd about it being from TaeKyun ! This is just my obcervation or 2 cents. Patrick, if you have learned the diference to say this that you mention about it, TaeKyun, being diferent from what is done in HapKiDo - I know the diference in between the TangSooDo, TaeKwonDo and HapKiDo Having been around the block Hapkido wise and having followed/been in several organizations, I would have to say Most of Dojunim Ji's are much different than mainstream Hapkido kicks. Some look similiar,but, have a different stradegy behind them. JAck --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:49:15 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re MMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/11/2005 6:54:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: A 26 yr old, Big Island top-ranked welterweight in mixed martial arts blind-sided a cop and tried to run away after the police tried to break up a fight outside a club. The officer got up and chased him down and tackled him and was immediately jumped by several other men. Other officers pulled the men off the cop and the martial artist was arrested. If convicted, he faces up to 5 years in jail. Looks like he couldn't punch, run or resist being tackled very well! I'd have to say he and his As__hole buddies are lucky they didn't eat any lead pills or suffer traumatic injuries (or a fall down a flight of stairs..)to themselves on the way to the station --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo group may bring $2.5M Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net South Florida Business Journal 3:06 PM EDT Wednesday Taekwondo group may bring $2.5M economic 'kick' Look for plenty of turning back kicks and drop-kick side steps outside the Greater Fort Lauderdale/Broward County Convention Center this weekend. Of course, the main events will be inside, as USA Taekwondo holds its 2005 World University Games Trials and national qualifier meets. The Colorado Springs, Colo.-based national governing body for U.S. Taekwondo said its World University Games Trials will start 8:30 a.m., Saturday, while the two-day national qualifier event will take up the whole weekend. Plenty of folks will be on hand to cheer, too. The Greater Fort Lauderdale Convention & Visitors Bureau estimated 3,000 people in total attendance, including spouses and other guests of competitors. The bureau estimated the economic impact of the event at $2.5 million, with the Sheraton Yankee Clipper and four other hotels as the main lodging beneficiaries. The World University Games Trials are to select the 16-member team - eight men and eight women - to compete at the 2005 World University Games in Izmir, Turkey, Aug. 11-21. Five members of the 2005 U.S. national team that competed at the 2005 World Taekwondo Championships in April are among the competitors vying for spots in the double-elimination trials. The national qualifier is the fifth of six qualifying events for 2005. USA Taekwondo said it expects 530 athletes, ranging in age from 6 to 32, to compete. Tickets are available at the door Saturday and Sunday. One-day admission is $12 for adults and $7 for seniors at least 60 years old and children ages 4 to 10. Children under 4 are admitted free. Two-day passes are also available: $18 for adults and $10 for seniors and children. --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:28:21 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Kukkiwon Certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To my knowledge you dont need an organization to promote your Black Belts as KKW. As a 4th Dan you can promote up to 2nd dan. Just submit the proper paperwork directly to Kukkiwon. Now if you need promotion for yourself Im working with the International Combat Martial Arts Federation  here in California Im sure they can help you get your Kukkiwon 5th Dan. Im in charge of the Chang Hun Yu Department but if you'd like contact me and I'll talk to the Master that handles the Kukkiwon side of the house. Master Manuel Maldonado President Ho Do Kwan Tae Kwon-Do Association --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest