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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Bowing (Jeff Yeagley) 2. Re: Bowing (Klaas barends) 3. Re: Bowing (Ray) 4. Re: DoJangs in Augusta, Georgia? (Choe'sHapKiDoofMt.Vernon) 5. Kyonge, a detailed analysis (J R Hilland) 6. Taegeuk Oh-Jang (Brian Locke) 7. Bowing? (Art V V) 8. 5,000 years of male-dominated tradition (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 9. RE: Ko Dang (. DixiePride) 10. Re: Hapkido Grandmasters IHF (Mksh53@aol.com) 11. U.S. Olympic Committee Honors Diana and Steven Lopez (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:33:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We practice a 90 degree bow (eyes down) except for sparring, where we bow eyes up. Jeff Yeagley Academy of Fighting Arts http://www.wetrainharder.com -----Original Message----- From: tim collatz [mailto:tcollatz@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:27 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] bow what is the correct way to bow? Head down or head up always looking at the person you are bowing to? Tim --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Klaas barends Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:45:57 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Insa bangbub (method of greeting) > Place your hands in front of your belly button. > Right over left for men. Left over right for women. Sorry, switch that one. Men have the left hand on top. Women have their right hand on top. > Make a bow of 45 degrees, keep your head straight. > So you look down 45 degrees. > Keep the bow for about three seconds. The bowing with your hands hanging by your side is apparently a Japanese tradition. And for Korean women their is actually another bow, which I sure wouldn't now how to describe. But you can see it at a Korean traditional wedding. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Bowing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I gotta weigh in on this one! Surprisingly, I'm going to come in on the > side of tradition on this one. The idea that one should watch his > opponent while bowing comes from Bruce Lee in "Enter the Dragon." Enter the Dragon was 1972 or 73, as I recall. fwiw, I learned the martial arts bow prior to that timeframe, so it wasn't invented by Bruce Lee. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:38:12 -0400 From: Choe's Hap Ki Do of Mt. Vernon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: DoJangs in Augusta, Georgia? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 09:21 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > > > Hi. > > I have a student moving to Augusta, Georgia with the military. Does > anyone > know of a good Tang Soo Do or Taekwondo school in that area? Also, > private > E-mail me if there are definite Dojangs to avoid. > > Thank you for time and consideration in this regard. > > Dana > vailkorma@hotmail.com I am not sure how far Augusta is from Duluth, but our Grandmaster recently relocated to Duluth and has a school there. (Hap Ki Do) Grandmaster Ji Mong Choe's Chung Mu Hap Ki Do www.choeshapkido.com Respectfully, Bong Soo --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude/F-Prot AV] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:01:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kyonge, a detailed analysis Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please understand that this is the way 'I' was taught 31 years ago and because of that, it is the way 'I' teach, it is also the way my teacher was taught LONG before I was born: STANDING BOW: Left foot comes together touching right foot. Hands by the side, not stiff like in the military, but not as relaxed as holding an egg. The second finger is down the center of the leg (A female wearing a dress can place the hand on the front of the thigh holding the dress down). The hands do to move or slide in any direction. The eyes are then lowed towards the knees. The neck is now bent tucking the chin. The waist is then bent without bending the back. Do not bow to an opponent, which would be silly. You are bowing for one reason only: to show respect. Bow with respect. The more detail, the more respect. Bow slightly deeper and longer than those that out rank you in age or rank with subtle motion. Do not over bow or stay more than slightly longer than the senior, do this with out looking up and demonstrate self-control. Then lift the back straight, lift the chin and then lift the eyes. KNEELING BOW: Often hapkido practice, class beginning and ending are with bows from kneeling. Bring the hands down to form a triangle with the thumb and the first finger touching. All fingers should be together and not loose. Left hand touches slightly before the right hand and leaves last (there are different schools of thoughts on this procedure, but I am writing the way that I was taught and therefore, the way that I teach). Once again, lower the eyes, this time to the ground, tuck the chin, and while keeping the back straight, bend at the waist only. Then lift the back straight, lift the chin, and then lift the eyes. Note: we have always opened and closed class with 3 bows after muknoym from the kneeling position, 2 bows to the upper seat (these are often the flags, picture of Choi Young Sul, etc.) and then one bow between the chief instructor of the class and the student body. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: We often got smacked with a jukdo (this was the 70's), if we did not do this 100% correctly. We were often told that if we looked at the other person we were showing disrespect and that the whole purpose of bowing was to show respect. Why would one bow to an opponent? One would not, that would be foolish. Why would you not bow correctly to show respect to someone who was your friend, senior or training partner? One would not, that would demonstrate a lack of self-control. Bowing this way, we are reminded that we are in a dojang, a place of the way, not a where or a when, but a what, and that all of our problems from this moment on should be left outside of the dojang and that our mind should only be on the thought of training at hand. Training in hapkido required one or more training partners. Our goal therefore, is not to hurt our training partners, but to perfect OUR technique. Self-defense as an extension of self-control. Self-defense training is training in self-control. This is based on the premise that you do not have control over someone else’s action, but you do have total control over your own. You determine your reaction to conflict. No one can make you angry without your consent. You and are responsible for where you are and what you are doing. Your technique should always reflect practice in self-control, whether it is defending your self against multiple armed opponents or bowing. Previously I have mentioned on the DD that when I started mudo classes originally, we were not allowed to wear a white belt for one month. That first month involved only etiquette, warm-ups, and cleaning the dojang. The first week of training was devoted to Kyonge. Nicely said Dakin: <<>> Just my thoughts. Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:08:58 -0400 From: Brian Locke To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taegeuk Oh-Jang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Day, I am looking for some clarification in regards to this last movement of this poomse. After the front snap kick, the defender makes a short hop into a tiger stance at the same time performing an olgul dungjumeok chigi. At this point, the defender snaps sharply 180 degrees on the balls of his feet and baros. Now my question...does the tiger stance represent the capture of an attacker's neck after falling from the result of the defender's front snap kick? And if this is correct, does the decisive and sharp 180 degree turn simulate breaking that fallen attacker's neck? I was original told years ago by my Kwanjanim that this was in fact the case. I was visiting another school recently while on vacation and observed a young blue belt trying to grasp the movements of this poomse and was inquiring what they all meant. His instructor did not allude to the violent meaning of this last movement and when I asked him about it he replied that he had never heard such a thing. I would greatly appreciate any and all comments/insights to this particular poomse. Semper Fi Brian Locke --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:53:08 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Art V V" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was taught, First as you are bowing to a person out of respect, bow with your head down. If you bow while looking into another persons eyes, it is a "Challenging Bow" as when you are sparring.This was the teaching of my first instructor, a 5th Dan Korean Master. The instructor I have now prefers to bow with the head down if your sparring or not. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:10:37 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 5,000 years of male-dominated tradition Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >"She ( Tae Yun Kim) found further strength in the martial art of Taekwondo, training in >secret with a martial arts master. Her training, she said, broke 5,000 >years of male-dominated tradition and was forbidden by Korean society" It is interesting that one would believe that she is the only female to train in SECRET in 5,000 years. I believe that it is very unlikely. In general ,most fathers and grandfathers have cared about their wives and children/daughters since the beginning of time. Some of them with MA skills would have trained their love ones in MA for safety reasons. It maybe more accurate to say she was the first not to keep it a secret. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ". DixiePride" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:18:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Ko Dang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Maldonado Sir, I am curious about the change from Kodang to Juche.I know that the North Koreans pressured General Choi to add Juche to our set of 24 Hyungs. I happened to be watching a special on the North Korean atomic threat,violations of human rights by the North Koreans and the tyrant Kim Il Sung.The term Juche came up and was explained that it is a theory that the North Koreans have that in a few words means, "that the owner of the revolution and construction are the masses." What a load of manure,the North Koreans dont own anything, it all belongs to the state,while its citizens starve to death just to support a huge military budget. What year did the change occur?I cant understand why a devoted anti-communist,a General in the South Korean Army,like our beloved General Choi Hong Hi, would bow to such pressure? I havent begun to learn Juche yet,but now that I know something of the history of this Hyung I'm not sure I am too excited about learning it.Some of the stories I have heard about torture,human experiments and concentration camps in the DPRK just make me sick.I dont want to learn anything "great leader" ,Kim Il Sung,has to teach. I would like to see the article you posted last year on the Dojang.What subject line did you use for your post?So that I may do a search for it. Sincerely, Gregg _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Mksh53@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Grandmasters IHF To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Our GM Chang Young-Shil is an old school student of Myung Jae-Nam from the 60's and 70's. He was with him before Myung incorporated the Hankido into his system. GM Chang started his own IHF. We are not affiliated with Myung's IHF. If you have any questions let me know. BTW, GM Chang is coming to Western Maryland for a one day seminar. We are celebrating GM Chang being in his 45th year teaching Hapkido. Anyone who wishes to attend can e-mail me at _hapkiyoosoolofnova@msn.com_ (mailto:hapkiyoosoolofnova@msn.com) . Or visit our main webpage at _www.Hapkiyoosool.com_ (http://www.Hapkiyoosool.com) . Thanks. Michael Merchant --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] U.S. Olympic Committee Honors Diana and Steven Lopez Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net U.S. Olympic Committee Honors Diana and Steven Lopez May 16, 2005 COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- The U.S. Olympic Committee today named USA Taekwondo's Diana and Steven Lopez as its April Athletes of the Month. The USOC Team of the Month honor was awarded to the U.S. Women's Ice Hockey Team. Diana and Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas), sister and brother, both won gold medals (featherweight and welterweight, respectively) at the World Championships in Madrid, Spain, April 13-17. Along with their brother, Mark (featherweight), the Lopez family made sports history in Madrid by taking three gold medals. Never before have three siblings won world titles at the same event in any sport. The siblings are all coached by their eldest brother, Jean. It also marks the first time that a brother and sister have been honored as USOC Athletes of the Month for the same month. The family's three gold medals also signified the most successful World Championships in U.S. history. The U.S. had never won more than one gold medal in a previous World Championships. For Steven, a two-time Olympic gold medalist (2000, 2004), the win was his third consecutive World Championship title (2001, 2003, 2005). The U.S. Women's Ice Hockey Team defeated Canada, 1-0, in a shootout after 80 minutes of scoreless play to claim the gold medal at the 2005 International Ice Hockey Federation World Championship in Linkoping, Sweden on April 9. Team USA posted a perfect 5-0-0 record en route to its first-ever gold medal in the 15-year history of the event. The U.S. outscored opponents 28-4 through the five games and held a 244-81 shot advantage. In addition, the Americans took three directorate awards in the tournament: Best Goaltender (Chanda Gunn, Huntington Beach, Calif.), Best Defenseman (Angela Ruggiero, Harper Woods, Mich.) and Tournament MVP, which was won by Krissy Wendell (Brooklyn Park, Minn.) Wendell finished second among the women's nominees. She led the U.S. team and the tournament with nine points (four goals, five assists) in five games. Wendell collected a pair of shorthanded goals in the U.S. victory over Finland, and scored in the shootout of the gold-medal game against Canada. Alpine skier Julia Mancuso (Olympic Valley, Calif.) placed third in the women's vote. Mancuso medaled in all five alpine events at the Oroweat Alpine Championships in Mammoth Mountain, Calif. She has now won medals in 11 consecutive events at the Oroweat Championships, a U.S. record. Mancuso earned gold medals in the giant slalom and combined, silver medals in the downhill and super G, and bronze in the slalom. Second place on the men's ballot went to wrestler Brad Vering (Colorado Springs, Colo.). He won the gold medal at 84 kg/185 lbs. in men's Greco-Roman at the 2005 U.S. National Wrestling Championships in Las Vegas, Nev., April 29-30. It was Vering's third straight U.S. Nationals title. In the gold-medal match, he defeated four-time U.S. Nationals champion Keith Sieracki of the U.S. Army, 1-0, 1-0, for the title. Thomas Hopkins (Coronado, Calif.), of the U.S. Men's Water Polo Team, finished third. Hopkins scored 16 goals in eight games, picking up at least one goal in every contest and recording five multi-goal games as the U.S. cruised to an 8-0 record at the Amateur Sports Union of the Americas World Championships Qualification Tournament in Mexico City, Mexico. In his international debut on the senior level on April 11, Hopkins scored three goals against Brazil. Five days later, on his 21st birthday, he scored four more goals, also against Brazil. The U.S. Men's Water Polo Team's unbeaten run through the World Championships Qualification Tournament earned them second place on the team ballot. In winning the tournament, the U.S. earned its ticket to the 2005 FINA World Championships this summer in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The team was playing with only four of its eight returning Olympians and had a roster that included two high school athletes. The U.S. Men's Inline Hockey Team finished third in the team vote. The team won the gold medal at the 2005 Pan American Championships, April 17-24 in Mar Del Plata, Argentina. The squad went 3-0-1 in its round-robin tournament with Canada, Argentina, Mexico and Colombia, and scored 17 goals in its four games. Results (first place votes in parentheses) WOMEN 1. Diana Lopez, Taekwondo 32 (6) 2. Krissy Wendell, Ice Hockey 30 (6) 3. Julia Mancuso, Skiing 18 (3) Also receiving first place votes: Francesca Durand (Judo), Jessica Long (Paralympic Swimming), Aubrey Orcutt (Roller Sports) and Sally Roberts (Wrestling) MEN 1. Steven Lopez, Taekwondo 40 (12) 2. Brad Vering, Wrestling 17(3) 3. Thomas Hopkins, Water Polo 12 (1) Also receiving first place votes: Tyler Hansbrough (Basketball), Hunter Kemper (Triathlon) and Joey Mantia (Roller Sports) TEAM 1. U.S. Womens Ice Hockey Team 53 (17) 2. U.S. Men's Water Polo Team 26 (1) 3. U.S. Men's Inline Hockey Team 16 (1) Also receiving first place votes: Pete Fenson Rink (Curling) and Cassidy Krug and Nancilea Underwood (Diving) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest