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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Taegeuk Oh Jang (Damian Adams) 2. Lion fight (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Ji Han Jae Seminar (Klaas barends) 4. Teaguk Oh Jang (Tkdsid@aol.com) 5. Tang Soo Do in Augusta Area (Charles Richards) 6. Master Hodder West Virginia Seminar (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 7. Taekwondo unity (Ray) 8. Bowing and North Korea (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 9. Kukikwon Vs Moo Du Kwon (Tim) 10. Korean translation (Tim) 11. Women training in Korea (Howard Spivey) 12. RE: Ko-Dang (Manuel Maldonado) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:47:26 +0930 From: Damian Adams To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Taegeuk Oh Jang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brian, first of all the last movement is not in tiger stance (Boem seogi) it should be done in Goa Seogi where the rear leg crosses behind the front (bent with just the ball of the foot touching). here is a link http://mchenry.homeip.net/TangSooDo/forms/index.htm the taegeuks on this page were conducted by the KTA so could be viewed as the official way to do this form. As far the other technique that you mentioned of capturing the attackers neck I have never heard before. I don't believe it is written this way in the Kukkiwon textbook either - I will have to check it when I get home. Who knows it may be true, but sometimes I also feel that some people put too much hidden meaning into a form. eg rather than just a block being a block they will say it is a capture with a throw. Damian. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, csemt@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Lion fight Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lion Mutilates 42 Midgets in Cambodian Ring-Fight An African Lion much like this is responsible for the death of 28 Cambodian Midgets Spectators cheered as entire Cambodian Midget Fighting League squared off against African Lion Tickets had been sold-out three weeks before the much anticipated fight, which took place in the city of Kâmpóng Chhnãng. The fight was slated when an angry fan contested Yang Sihamoni, President of the CMFL, claiming that one lion could defeat his entire league of 42 fighters. Sihamoni takes great pride in the league he helped create, as was conveyed in his recent advertising campaign for the CMFL that stated his midgets will "... take on anything; man, beast, or machine." This campaign is believed to be what sparked the undisclosed fan to challenge the entire league to fight a lion; a challenge that Sihamoni readily accepted. An African Lion (Panthera Leo) was shipped to centrally located Kâmpóng Chhnãng especially for the event, which took place last Saturday, April 30, 2005 in the city’s coliseum. The Cambodian Government allowed the fight to take place, under the condition that they receive a 50% commission on each ticket sold, and that no cameras would be allowed in the arena. The fight was called in only 12 minutes, after which 28 fighters were declared dead, while the other 14 suffered severe injuries including broken bones and lost limbs, rendering them unable to fight back. Sihamoni was quoted before the fight stating that he felt since his fighters out-numbered the lion 42 to 1, that they “… could out-wit and out-muscle [it].” Unfortunately, he was wrong. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Klaas barends Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:07:41 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ji Han Jae Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Sat. June 11 and Sun June 12, 9 AM-6 PM daily. > Tentative subjects will be the philosophy of Sin Moo > Hapkido, footwork, footwork kicking, special kicking, > boxing punches defenses, knife defenses, kick > defenses, choke defenses, and weapons. Defenses > include joint locks, throws, kicks, strikes, and > pressure points. Weaponry may include staff, sword, > scarf, cane, and short stick, bring whatever you've > got! All of this in just two days???? I'd focus on less techniques but put more time in the ones that will be taught. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:21:03 -0400 From: Tkdsid@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaguk Oh Jang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The last action of this form involves trapping the opponents front leg and advancing by hopping in opposition to perform a back punch. Sid --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 05:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tang Soo Do in Augusta Area Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read " I have a student moving to Augusta, Georgia with the military. Does anyone know of a good Tang Soo Do or Taekwondo school in that area? Also, private E-mail me if there are definite Dojangs to avoid." MC Reply, Hello Master Vaillencourt, In Augusta used to Be Daniel Leon who is/was a WTSDA member and an excellent practitioner. In Aiken, SC which is not that far from the South side of Augusta is Wilson Smith who is also a WTSDA and his school is called Twin Dragons Martial Arts. just went to thier website http://www.wtsda-region7.com/twindragons/ and Danny and Wilson are both teaching there so I'd make that my first choice for Tang Soo Do. FWIW Wilson I think started in TKD and may have earned a 2nd Dan before transfering to TSD. Tang Soo! MC --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:37:37 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Hodder West Virginia Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Rich Hodder, Tae Kwon Do 8th Dan and TKD Program Director for the United States Korean Martial Arts Federation, will be at my dojang in Lewisburg, WV for an all-day TKD and Hapkido seminar on Saturday, June 4. Lewisburg is located in the Southeastern part of West Virginia; 90 minutes away north of Roanoke, VA and 90 minutes away southeast of Charleston, WV. We are centrally located in the Allegheny Mountains in the beautiful Greenbrier Valley. Everyone is more than welcome to attend. There are several nice, and fairly inexpensive, hotels very close to the school for lodging if desired. Visit my website at http://www.gtkda.com for more details for feel free to call me at 304-667-7741. Space will be limited so if you would like to get in on this fantastic training opportunity with Master Hodder, you need to act soon. I hope to see you there! James Morgan Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy Lewisburg, WV --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo unity Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rhee Urges Taekwondo Unity The Korea Times 5/18/05 By Lee Yong-sung Taekwondo has long been one of the most visible symbols of Korean culture throughout the world. Even among Koreans, however, it is hard to find many who know how the national martial art, known variously throughout its history by appellations such as soobak and taekkyon, first got its name. According to Grandmaster Rhee Ki-ha, senior vice president of the Vienna-based International Taekwondo Federation (ITF), it was late general Choi Hong-hee who gave the name to the traditional martial art training, and this was then ratified by the Syngman Rhee government on April 11, 1955. ``It is sad that the general has long been forgotten in South Korea because of political reasons,'' Rhee told The Korea Times last Friday. Choi, who defected to Canada during the era of President Park Jung-hee's dictatorship, founded the ITF in 1966. In 1980, Choi visited North Korea along with 15 other masters to teach Taekwondo. For this, he and the ITF were branded as pro-North Korean. ``Before the WTO was born in 1973, dividing the world of taekwondo, the history of the ITF was the history of the martial art,'' Rhee said. Having North Korea as its key member doesn't make it ``North Korean taekwondo,'' he said, insisting ``They are all Korean taekwondo.'' It is estimated that there are over 40 million people in about 140 countries who practice the martial art according to ITF rules, while 50 million in more than 170 countries follow the WTF style. As quite a lot of ITF taekwondo practitioners, however, also undertake WTF training in order to participate in the Olympics, where it is the recognized form, the total global taekwondo population is believed to be around 50 million. The variations between the two styles actually vary only slightly. Generally speaking, the WTF concentrates on the sporting element of taekwondo, whereas the ITF treats it as a form f self-defense. The WTF has got the image of a high-kicking style because its tournament rules allow kicks to the head, but forbid punches to the head. Under ITF rules allow both punches and kicks to the head. Since the 2004 Athens Olympics, there has been a growing chorus of voices calling for the revision of the current WTF rules to give more freedom to fighters to use punches, a change that could facilitate the integration of the two styles and the organizations. ``With this year marking the 50th anniversary of modern taekwondo, I see no better time for a merger of the two organizations,'' Rhee said. Rhee, who is a British citizen, visited the North Korean capital, Pyongyang, from May 3-10. He returned with news that the presidents of the two federations _ Choue Chung-won of the WTF and Chang Ung of the ITF_ would meet at the International Olympic Committee headquarters in Lausanne, Switzerland, early next month, an announcement also confirmed by the WTF. The two have not met since the last Olympics, according to Rhee, but he said the ITF president has sent a message to Kim Jung-kil, chairman of the Southern-based Korea Taekwondo Association, voicing his wish to visit the South to talk with Kim over the integration issue. ``To have a unified taekwondo organization, the most important thing is to broaden the understanding of each other by meeting face to face as often as possible.'' he said. His efforts to narrow the gap between the two are about to bear their first fruit, as 10 students of Kyongbuk College of Science in Chilgok, North Kyongsang Province, are participating in the 14th ITF World Taekwondo Championships, the first South Koreans to do so. While competitors from over 90 countries will join the biggest annual ITF event, the three South Korean participants have all reached the quarterfinal stages in WTF international competition, increasing the chance of the first official inter-Korean taekwondo match. Rhee recently visited the school to encourage the participants. ``Taekwondo's history is an essential part of the country's history,'' he said. ``This is why restoring the early part of the history of modern taekwondo is urgent.'' --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:07:05 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing and North Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: >Enter the Dragon was 1972 or 73, as I recall. fwiw, I learned the martial arts bow prior to that timeframe, so it wasn't invented by Bruce Lee. Interesting! So I wonder where this kind of bow came from? Any ideas? Gregg wrote: >I cant understand why a devoted anti-communist, a General in the South Korean Army,like our beloved General Choi Hong Hi, would bow to such pressure? Gen. Choi was born in what is now North Korea. He was alienated from South Korea during the regime of Pres. Park, and in the 1980s he started traveling to North Korea, where many of his family members still lived. He was buried in North Korea. To me, this is an example of family demands coming before political ones. Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Tim" To: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:18:33 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukikwon Vs Moo Du Kwon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just joined a new dojang that is a kukikwon school. I came from a school that was Moo duk Kwon. What are the differences in the two types of TKD. Are their differences in style or just affiliation? --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Tim" To: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:24:19 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean translation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am looking to write two names in Korean. Does any one on the forum do this? I cant seem to figure out the Korean phonetics. The two names are: Ethan and Timothy. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:43:13 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Women training in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was fortunate enough to attend a seminar last Sunday given by GM Ji Han Jae. Before we started doing techniques, GM Ji spoke for about an hour about Hapkido history and other related subjects (he is a walking history book). At one point he told a story, which I had never heard, about Choi Young Sool's daughter defeating a yudo or judo black belt in some type of altercation (I couldn't catch everything GM Ji said due to background noise and his accent, but I'm virtually certain that I got the gist of the story right). Apparently the point of the story was that the yudo guy wanted to challenge Choi Young Sool in some way, so Choi sent his daughter first to give the challenger some idea of what he was dealing with... of course I don't know whether this story is apocryphal or not, but it is a great story in any case. And assuming it's true, it demonstrates that Tae Yun Kim was not the only Korean woman training in those days. "She ( Tae Yun Kim) found further strength in the martial art of Taekwondo, training in secret with a martial arts master. Her training, she said, broke 5,000 years of male-dominated tradition and was forbidden by Korean society" --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:53:13 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Ko-Dang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net  Dear Gregg ; If my memory serves me right (As I am a very old man lol) Ko-Dang was replaced by Juche in the mid 1980's Gen. Choi took a delagation of GM to No. Korea for a friendship tour and Taekwon-do demonstration. He also wanted the "Great Leader"(Kim whats his face) to help finance the ITF since we were flat broke. The exhibition was a huge sucess and the North Koreans loved Taekwon-do. As far as Juche is concerned hers what I dug up from www.Korea-DPR.com The main guide of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is the Juche idea created by the Great Leader President Kim Il Sung. The Juche idea means, in a few words, that the owner of the revolution and construction are the people's masses' The Juche idea is based in the thinking that the person is the owner of everything and use it to serve him. To materialize the juche idea means to maintain the position of owner of the revolution and construction and improve it from and independant and creative way. The Juche idea allows to create an indestructable unit between the people's masses ans the Leader, so in this way an indepentant and sovereign state can be built and the people can use their talent and power for the common benefit.. Taekwon-do was created so that Government shouldnt interefere with it..... Gen Choi. I took out the Juche since Im an American and have served my country for 24 years (US ARMY Retired) and I dont want anything to do with No. Korea Sorry for such a long post and thanx again for allowing me to post. Master Manuel Maldonado --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest