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Re: Kukikwon Vs Moo Du Kwon (Dave) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kim resigns Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Vice president Kim quits IOC Fri May 20, 2005 By Ossian Shine LONDON (Reuters) - Jailed vice-president Kim Un-yong has resigned from the International Olympic Committee. The South Korean, who was facing explusion after being found guilty on corruption charges in his homeland, decided to resign rather than face an expulsion vote in July, an IOC source said on Friday. The IOC's decision-making executive board agreed earlier this year with an ethics commission's report that the 74-year-old had "seriously tarnished the reputation of the Olympic movement". Kim's fellow IOC members had been due to vote on his expulsion at their session in July. Kim has always denied the charges against him. His resignation means the affair is closed as far as the IOC is concerned and all action against him has been stopped. The IOC's executive board is expected to release a statement later on Friday. In March, Kim had still been determined to clear his name within the IOC. He had hoped to attend July's meeting or, if he had not been released from prison in time, have the vote postponed. POLITICAL GROUNDS Kim's daughter Helen made the plea for a defence in person in a letter to IOC president Jacques Rogge. Defenders of Kim, who would have been be the most important IOC member to be stripped of his position had be been voted out, say the decision to charge him was based on political grounds and part of a personal vendetta. Kim's appeal against his jail sentence for corruption was rejected by South Korea's Supreme Court in January. Marking the end of the road for further appeals, the country's top court decided to uphold his two-year jail term and a fine of $760,800. Kim had originally been sentenced to 2-1/2 years but it was cut to two years in September after an appeal to a lower court. One of the most powerful officials in the IOC, Kim was arrested while in hospital a year ago on charges connected with his leadership of the South Korean National Olympic Committee and the World Taekwondo Federation. When he was sentenced last June, his lawyer said his actions and business conduct were rooted in South Korea's dictatorship period of the 1970s and 1980s and it was unfair to judge him by present-day values. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Merwin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Videos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am looking for a Video source of Martial arts (specifically TKD, but Hapkido accepted). 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:58:17 -0400 From: Tkdsid@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo Won Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone had any experience getting kukkiwon certification from the Taekwondo Won? How long did it take? Sid Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukikwon Vs Moo Du Kwon Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:19:27 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Then I guess my question is what is the difference in Chung Do Kwon and Moo Duk Kwon? Thanks, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukikwon Vs Moo Du Kwon >> I just joined a new dojang that is a kukikwon school. I came from a >> school >> that was Moo duk Kwon. What are the differences in the two types of TKD. >> Are >> their differences in style or just affiliation? > > Taekwondo Moo Duk Kwan is one of several kwans, but the largest, that > gathered together to form the Kukkiwon. The Kukkiwon is the World > Taekwondo > Headquarters (per the WTF and S.Korea). > > Thus a Kukkiwon school could be Taekwondo Moo Duk Kwan or TKD Chung Do > Kwan > or TKD Chang Moo Kwan, etc., or they could have forgotten their roots and > just claim to be Kukkiwon. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukikwon Vs Moo Du Kwon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Then I guess my question is what is the difference in Chung Do Kwon and Moo > Duk Kwon? For some history of the original Korean Karate kwans see: http://martialartsresource.com/anonftp/pub/the_dojang/digests/history.html Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:24:51 -0400 From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" To: "Dojang Digest" Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun Defense Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, We were working on knife defense last night in class when one of the teenagers asked about gun defense - actually he demonstrated a technique he thought was cool involving a sort of a back wheel kick (that almost surely would get him killed) and asked our instructor to show some gun disarms. He (instructor) told him that the best gun defense is to comply with the request of the person with the gun and to hand over any material 'stuff' being requested - wallet, jewelry, car, etc. Further, he said that a disarm should only be attempted if you are pretty sure that your life is danger anyway. Then he took the topic back to knives. I happened to be partnered with one of the guys who lives in really rough part of the city where shootings happen at an unfortunate rate. He disagreed. He said (to me only; not to the instructor and rest of the class) that in his experience, it was very likely you would be shot if you complied or not therefore he would always react as though he would be and would choose to go down fighting. He also said that he had seen a lot of guys close their eyes as they fire and that this might give you a sub second to react. We also talked about proximity of the assailant - gun in your ribs vs standing 5 feet away - and what could be done about it, etc. but most of it was really guesswork from both of us. Then we went back to the knives. I haven't seen much done with gun defense in our org. but now I'm thinking about it. I'd be very interested in hearing how much other folks teach it, your thoughts on compliance vs. attempting a disarm, what you teach or don't, and why, and any info/sources on gun defense that you consider reasonable. Any input MUCH appreciated. Mary Kay Yarchak --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Defense Question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Your instructor is wise. Yet you present an interesting side that most of us have trained for over and over for years. That is the topic of when, what, and how. Distances is as important as the choice to act and the question of kick, strike or throw is reserved for the victim. Your choice should be which allows you to overcome with split second timing while out of gun sight. It should not matter whether it is a throat strike or kick to the knee, but each technique must be followed with precision until you render him sightless or better yet..... do i really need to say. It sounds crazy but, this is what is happening out there. "Yarchak, Mary Kay" wrote: All, We were working on knife defense last night in class when one of the teenagers asked about gun defense - actually he demonstrated a technique he thought was cool involving a sort of a back wheel kick (that almost surely would get him killed) and asked our instructor to show some gun disarms. He (instructor) told him that the best gun defense is to comply with the request of the person with the gun and to hand over any material 'stuff' being requested - wallet, jewelry, car, etc. Further, he said that a disarm should only be attempted if you are pretty sure that your life is danger anyway. Then he took the topic back to knives. I happened to be partnered with one of the guys who lives in really rough part of the city where shootings happen at an unfortunate rate. He disagreed. He said (to me only; not to the instructor and rest of the class) that in his experience, it was very likely you would be shot if you complied or not therefore he would always react as though he would be and would choose to go down fighting. He also said that he had seen a lot of guys close their eyes as they fire and that this might give you a sub second to react. We also talked about proximity of the assailant - gun in your ribs vs standing 5 feet away - and what could be done about it, etc. but most of it was really guesswork from both of us. Then we went back to the knives. I haven't seen much done with gun defense in our org. but now I'm thinking about it. I'd be very interested in hearing how much other folks teach it, your thoughts on compliance vs. attempting a disarm, what you teach or don't, and why, and any info/sources on gun defense that you consider reasonable. Any input MUCH appreciated. Mary Kay Yarchak _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Defense Question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I haven't seen much done with gun defense in our org. but now I'm > thinking about it. I'd be very interested in hearing how much other > folks teach it, your thoughts on compliance vs. attempting a disarm, > what you teach or don't, and why, and any info/sources on gun defense > that you consider reasonable. > > Any input MUCH appreciated. What I teach comes from Jim Lindell's system of handgun retention. Part of learning how to retain your gun is learning how to disarm. Most LEOs will be familiar with the name (Lindell) if not the system. I think there are even videotapes available of Lindell's system. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Defense Question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I haven't seen much done with gun defense in our org. but now I'm > > thinking about it. I'd be very interested in hearing how much other > > folks teach it, your thoughts on compliance vs. attempting a disarm, > > what you teach or don't, and why, and any info/sources on gun defense > > that you consider reasonable. > > > > Any input MUCH appreciated. > > What I teach comes from Jim Lindell's system of handgun retention. Part > of learning how to retain your gun is learning how to disarm. Most LEOs > will be familiar with the name (Lindell) if not the system. > > I think there are even videotapes available of Lindell's system. http://www.nletc.com/courses.php?course_id=4 More info. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:16:05 -0500 From: Dave To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukikwon Vs Moo Du Kwon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don't forget Ji Do Kwan... Dave Ray wrote: I just joined a new dojang that is a kukikwon school. I came from a school that was Moo duk Kwon. What are the differences in the two types of TKD. Are their differences in style or just affiliation? Taekwondo Moo Duk Kwan is one of several kwans, but the largest, that gathered together to form the Kukkiwon. The Kukkiwon is the World Taekwondo Headquarters (per the WTF and S.Korea). Thus a Kukkiwon school could be Taekwondo Moo Duk Kwan or TKD Chung Do Kwan or TKD Chang Moo Kwan, etc., or they could have forgotten their roots and just claim to be Kukkiwon. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest