Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 03:04:46 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #216 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Gun Defense - Lindell (Yarchak, Mary Kay) 2. Ethical question (Giancarlo Fusco) 3. Re: Gun Defense - Lindell (Ray) 4. gun defense (tntcombatives@comcast.net) 5. Brenda Sell (Ray) 6. rick tucci (Jye nigma) 7. Re: Ethical question (Jye nigma) 8. great exercise to start off the day (Jye nigma) 9. RE: Martial Arts Videos (Ronald Tobias) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:28:34 -0400 From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun Defense - Lindell Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Do you know if the Kansas City folks do the Lindell training for non-LEO's or in other cities? Also I surfed around some and couldn't find a video or a generally available book still in print. Is there a title you know of that I could track down? Thanks for the input! MK Mary Kay Yarchak --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 23:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Giancarlo Fusco To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ethical question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed here or not. If it has, please let me know. I have studied TKD and HKD and earned Dan ranks in both. After reading posts here and conducting my own research, I have found that the style of HKD that I studied was incomplete. I looked at MArc Tedeschi's book "Hapkido", Ji Han JAe's Sin Moo HKD, as well as other styles and found my style lacking in some areas, most notably in the study of pressure points and healing. My question is this:Would it be wrong to study at a school that teaches a more complete form of HKD and not study at the HKD school I'm familiar with? (FYI-I was an instructor at my TKD/HKD school for several years. I haven't trained there for a few years now, but I remain good friends with the owner and students) Furthermore, the one time I met the local instructor for the more complete HKD, I was not thrilled. He seemed arrogant and almost bully-ish (is that even a word?). I'm just curious as to what others may think. Peace- G- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Defense - Lindell To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 07:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Do you know if the Kansas City folks do the Lindell training for non-LEO's or > in other cities? Also I surfed around some and couldn't find a video or a > generally available book still in print. Is there a title you know of that I > could track down? Check with places in your area that offer CCW permit training. They will sometimes also offer training in the Lindell System of Weapon Retention and Disarmament, aka the Lindell Method. There are also videos out there on this system and others. Here is one link: http://www.business-marketing.com/store/lawfirearms.html See the last videotape on that webpage. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: tntcombatives@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:47:06 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] gun defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings All, I teach both my martial arts and police combatives students gun defense. As has been mentioned, gun defense techniques are for last option, things-are-going-very-bad-you-gonna-die type situations. Compliance works to a point, and you make that determination by knowing and observing your environment and threat. There are some really horifying gun defenses being taught out there that make me cringe. If you are learning gun def. here are some things to keep in mind. - use any possible distraction(voice, dropping items etc) - move body off line of fire first. - move gun away from you..dont sweep any part of you with gun. - move with the speed of the gods and with great violence of action. - leave the fance crap for the movies. Keep in mind that someone has the motive/means/opportunity to F*%&^*^g kill you, and that if you are wrong, move to slow, screw up....you are shot. Notice I did not say dead. Getting shot may indeed cause you to get dead, but we have all heard of real situations where some dirtbag who desperately needs to be euthanized gets hit mulitple times with police +p hollowpoints and lives. Medical science is wonderful. And yes, people get shot with a pellet or BB and drop dead on the spot too. But the fight is not over until you say it is. Choose to comply or choose to make that sob dead before he makes you dead. You need to make your decision now on how you will react given a certain set of circumstances. Drilling basic techniques, trying them in scenario situations, and using paintball or airsoft guns will help you make a correct choice. As a last note, the physical action of reaching for your wallet in your back pocket is almost identical to drawing your own gun. Use the right tool for the job. -- Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives 503-887-9351 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Brenda Sell Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Florida woman breaks tae kwon do barrier 50-year-old is first non-Korean female to achieve eighth-degree black belt By Hwang Hae-rym, Stars and Stripes Pacific edition, Sunday, May 22, 2005 SEOUL -- For 35 years, Brenda Sell has been getting her kicks and breaking down barriers in the male-dominated martial art of tae kwon do. On Thursday she knocked down one more barrier when she became the first non-Korean woman to attain the rank of eighth-degree black belt. Sell, 50, now is one of only four women in the world to hold the ranking. She showed off her skills last Saturday at a performance at Hannam Village Chapel and the theater at Yongsan Garrison. "When I started tae kwon do in early 1970, there were no women doing this martial art -- only men," she said. "Even in the tournament competitions when I competed, I had to compete with the men." The journey to eighth-degree black belt began with a chance encounter at a bus stop when Sell was in 10th grade. She said she had just moved to a new city when "one of the girls at the bus stop asked me if I'd like to join the tae kwon do class. I thought it was the good way to meet the new friends, and I like doing sports." Her father supported the idea of her learning tae kwon do, she said, but one of her earliest obstacles was her mother. Sell said her mother told her "tae kwon do is not ladylike." It took three months for her mom to finally say yes, she said. Now Sell, from Lakeland, Fla., sees tae kwon do as a way of life. "From the time someone gets the black belt, tae kwon do begins to become part of life," she said. "... I love God. I love intensity, dedication, concentration, focus, all of these things are part of tae kwon do." There are 10 levels of black belt in tae kwon do, but the highest level that can be attained outside of Korea is a seventh-degree black belt. So Sell and her husband, Edward, a ninth-degree black belt, and her 20-year-old son, a fourth-degree black belt, came to the World Tae Kwon Do Federation Headquarters here so she could take Thursday's test before Korean authorities. She said her family has performed tae kwon do at military bases across the world, including performances at Osan Air Base in 1999 and Camp Stanley in 2001. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:36:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] rick tucci Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=rick-tucci-video&width=320 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ethical question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my opinion, I'd go where ever to learn as much as I can. Imagine if you will a huge meteor entering earth's atmosphere. Imagine if you will that this meteor came from another world, and had inscribed on it a COMPLETE Martial art and everything including all answers and meanings to the system were on the meteor. But when this meteor entered earth's atmosphere, it exploded and fragments of the meteor landed in different regions of the world....different countries. Ok so from the individual pieces, each culture had an idea to devise a system of fighting. So since we're pretending, just pretend you're a person who heard of this meteor and you're collecting the info contained on all pieces to find out the whole. Now had this story been true, you would be traveling to different countries, speaking with different people who have different parts of the meteor so that you could learn as much as possible. Upon your travels you'll find people who only have 'slivers' of the rock meaning you'd find a system like your hapkido; lacking in certain aspects. So naturally, you'd venture out to find all you could. So I'd say go where the knowledge is. I once picked up a book that should hapkido with weapons like sword, staff, cane, short staff. Then I picked up another book and they didn't mention any weapons in hapkido. So I could only assume different schools will have different material. I'd personally learn what I could from all parties. Jye Giancarlo Fusco wrote: I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed here or not. If it has, please let me know. I have studied TKD and HKD and earned Dan ranks in both. After reading posts here and conducting my own research, I have found that the style of HKD that I studied was incomplete. I looked at MArc Tedeschi's book "Hapkido", Ji Han JAe's Sin Moo HKD, as well as other styles and found my style lacking in some areas, most notably in the study of pressure points and healing. My question is this:Would it be wrong to study at a school that teaches a more complete form of HKD and not study at the HKD school I'm familiar with? (FYI-I was an instructor at my TKD/HKD school for several years. I haven't trained there for a few years now, but I remain good friends with the owner and students) Furthermore, the one time I met the local instructor for the more complete HKD, I was not thrilled. He seemed arrogant and almost bully-ish (is that even a word?). I'm just curious as to what others may think. Peace- G- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] great exercise to start off the day Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=headflips&width=320 lol __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Ronald Tobias" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 21:13:44 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Martial Arts Videos Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a site that reviews many martial arts tapes. Take a look see if it helps: http://home.att.net/~erik.mann/mavr.htm >>I am looking for a Video source of Martial arts (specifically TKD, but Hapkido accepted).<<   --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest