Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:08:57 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #218 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mr. Nguyen's Promotion (Tuan Nguyen) 2. Re: The_Dojang digest, Ethical Question... (Raymond Navarro) 3. Agusta Area TSD (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 4. Tim's question on TKDMDK and Kukiwon (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 5. Gun and Knife Defense (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 6. Moo Duk Kwan Vs Kukiwon (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Pnetjak Silat seminar (Jye nigma) 8. RE: Promotion - Tuan Nguyen (Tuan Nguyen) 9. Re: Moo Duk Kwan Vs Kukiwon (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:40:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Tuan Nguyen To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mr. Nguyen's Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Kirsch, Glad to hear you made it back safe from Korea. I hope to be able to go one day. Thank you for your help with my preparation for the test. The trips to Austin and you coming down and working out with us was very good for me. And thank you for the compliments. I hope one day I can live up to it. Hope to see you soon, sir. Regards, tuan From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:29:28 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Nguyen's Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Nguyen, Congratulations on your recent promotion to 2nd Dan in HapKiDo. I regret not being present at the test. Having been with you on the mat and witnessing both your ability to give and receive I was already convinced you were ready for promotion. Hope we can get together for some training soon and I think its about time Frank became the "crash test dummy". Your friend in HapkiDo, Don Kirsch -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Ethical Question... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi and be blessed Giancarlo I am a HapKiDo teacher or SabomNim for almost 29 years in the country of Panama and there is nothing wrong with learning the HapKiDo that you are learning mainly if you want to learn a more complete or original root in HapKiDo thought if you find another school were you can learn its complete curriculum near you and if you find that school that is not the one that you do not feel confortable at then keep the training were you are at now ! Thought you find a place were you can learn the HapKiDo that you would like to train then talk to your teacher about your feeling and idea of goinmg there and to continue the friendship with him and his students but do not say anything to those students there about your findings since this could have them mooving to that other school and this would not be proper. First and to continue as I am mentioning you do, ask him your teacher if he has the knowledge for you to be able to learn this other things from him if he knows them so you do not need to go any qere else to learn the fact that you realiced the mising part of the HapKiDo your have beel learning from your friend and teacher or instructor. Most important, do not stop learning since doing HapKiDo for as lonmg as you can it will be the base for your health as you get older, Ok !?! HAP Ramon Navarro/HapKiDo SabomNim/Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo/Panama City Panama 2. Ethical question (Giancarlo Fusco) Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 23:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Giancarlo Fusco To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ethical question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed here or not. If it has, please let me know. I have studied TKD and HKD and earned Dan ranks in both. After reading posts here and conducting my own research, I have found that the style of HKD that I studied was incomplete. I looked at MArc Tedeschi's book "Hapkido", Ji Han JAe's Sin Moo HKD, as well as other styles and found my style lacking in some areas, most notably in the study of pressure points and healing. My question is this:Would it be wrong to study at a school that teaches a more complete form of HKD and not study at the HKD school I'm familiar with? (FYI-I was an instructor at my TKD/HKD school for several years. I haven't trained there for a few years now, but I remain good friends with the owner and students) Furthermore, the one time I met the local instructor for the more complete HKD, I was not thrilled. He seemed arrogant and almost bully-ish (is that even a word?). I'm just curious as to what others may think. Peace- G-   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:03:14 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Agusta Area TSD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Vaillencourt, I would second Master Richard's recommendation. I think your student will be happy with Mr. Wilson and Mr. Leon. You or your student can also contact Master Mitchell Dunn, the WTSDA Region 7 Director directly to facilitate if you like. I am sure Master Dunn (no relation)would be more than happy to help in any way possible. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:14:29 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Tim's question on TKDMDK and Kukiwon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tim, It totally depends on the instructor. There are some TKDMDK schools which are still very much following the MDK style of movement and power generation. But a lot is being lost with the changes in hyung and sparring style. Danny Dunn <<<<<<>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:11:41 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun and Knife Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mary Kay, Gun defense is a risky proposition. Your instructor is right in that if the motive is simple robbery, the best course is compliance. However we all know that is not always the case. Master Larry Wick from Fairbanks Alaska has the best system I have seen for both knife and handgun defense. Master Wick is TSD and belongs to my organization, but his system, which he markets as Split Second Survival is not really based on traditional TSD. Master Wick markets his system via DVD's in the major martial arts mags, but I would strongly recommend attending one of his seminars. He is very busy teaching special operations groups all over the world, but he does seminars. Master Wick's SSS website is http://www.splitsecondsurvival.com/index.php. I guarantee that you will not be disappointed. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:48:06 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Moo Duk Kwan Vs Kukiwon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been out for a while (Family Time) and I missed the DD. I was catching up and saw a thread on the differences in Moo Duk Kwan and the Kukiwon. I had to laugh at the answers given to the that was question posed. I believe I have a good understanding of the history, and to say they are the same in any since of the word is injust. I do not pretend to speak on behalf of the Chung Do Kwan, Ji Do Kwan or any other of the original 5 kwans which by the way did not include the Kukiwon. The TKD headquater has members that have at one time been associated with or they are still involed with many many many different organizations. That is OK if that satisfies your idea of legitamacy. The problem is that (at least with the Moo Duk Kwan) the divisions that have happened over the years have clouded the air. Moo Duk Kwan as it was taught by its founder Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim is still being taught under the name Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan by his son HC Hwang. Other Moo Duk Kwan organizations are teaching something different than what the Moo Duk Kwan founder taught. The standards are not even close. For the author of the original question--- Do as Ray suggested and research the history. There are many links you can use. I suggest you use them all. It seems that everyone has there own idea about what is fact and what is fiction. As for the Moo Duk Kwan, I can tell you that up until his death two years ago. Grandmaster Hwang Kee the founder of Moo Duk Kwan only regognized in the United States the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation as his Moo Duk Kwan. He did respect and care for former students and others in schools that had branched away but his lifes effort went ito the Moo Duk Kwan he created. While you research go to soobahkdo.com for some historical information. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Pnetjak Silat seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pentjak Silat Camp of the Masters II Couprie Martial Arts Studio 7100 Van Nuys Blvd. Suite 101, Van Nuys CA 91406 Camp Schedule: Friday June 10, 7:00 PM - 10:00 PM: Master's Symposium Saturday June 11, 7:30 AM: Camp Registration Saturday June 11, 8:30 - 5:30 PM: Camp Seminars Sunday June 12, 7:30 AM: Camp Registration Sunday June 12, 8:30 - 5:30 PM: Camp Seminars The Instructors: Ahati Kilindi Iyi: African Martial Arts Mestre Dennis Newsome: Capoeira - Angola Master Graciella Casillas: Filipino Knife and Stick Science Master Rick Suskind: Bando - Cobra System Maha Guru Cliff Stewart: LA Kilat Pukulan Pencak Silat Guru Thomas Lomax: LA Kilat Pukulan Pencak Silat Guru Tony Felix: Wali Songo Silat Datu Darrell Sarjeant: Sadiq Kali Silat Plus guest appearances from surprise instructors Pre-Registration Fees: Masters' Symposium: $50.00 (Symposium registration limited to 35 people) Participants: $100 - Day Camp Seminars Discount Package: $199 2 Days Camp plus Masters' Symposium Day-of-event fees: Spectators: $75.00 Participants: $125.00/day or $225/2-day discount package Masters' Symposium: $55.00 (Symposium registration limited to 35 people) Unauthorized video taping prohibited --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Tuan Nguyen" To: Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:39:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Promotion - Tuan Nguyen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tom, Thanks for thinking about me, anyway. You are a good guy. I would have enjoyed seeing you there, but I'm sure Korea was much more exciting. See you around, my friend! tuan Message: 8 Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:06:16 -0500 From: "Tom Stanfield" To: Organization: Home Subject: [The_Dojang] Promotion - Tuan Nguyen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tuan, I like to past along my congrads to you also. Sorry I was not able to make it and let you have another BIG GUY to trash, but I was on the trip with "GRANDMASTER" West to Korea. Congrads again, Tom " The Big Gallut" Stanfield -- __--__-- End of The_Dojang Digest --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Moo Duk Kwan Vs Kukiwon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > same in any since of the word is injust. I do not pretend to speak on behalf > of the Chung Do Kwan, Ji Do Kwan or any other of the original 5 kwans which by > the way did not include the Kukiwon. Is there some confusion here? I do not recall anyone claiming that the Kukkiwon was ever a kwan. > The problem is that (at least with the Moo Duk Kwan) the divisions that have > happened over the years have clouded the air. Where is it that you are confused? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest