Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:52:20 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #226 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cameo Belt - now what (Tony McDonald) 2. Re: The_Dojang digest, Cameo Belt ??? ! (Raymond Navarro) 3. RE: Fractured scaphoid (Neil Burton) 4. Re: board breaking question (Hjalte Kiefer) 5. Failure smailure (Brian Beach) 6. Failed black belt test (Tkdsid@aol.com) 7. Failure... (Don Kirsch) 8. Re: Failed test (ISA Headquarters) 9. A new organization (Junkredmailbox@cs.com) 10. Oceania (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Tony McDonald" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cameo Belt - now what Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:42:46 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well Doug I've taken about 3 martial arts in my life Hapkido Tae Kwon Do and Karate Hapkido is more for hand techniques, and yes it has less kicking then Tae Kwon Do, My current master teaches hapkido and taekwondo mix, it makes for some great self defense lessons but aren't all martial arts meant to teach self defense? I suppose a question you should ask yourself is that if someone attempted to assault you, rob, or even harm you on an extreme degree, would you be able to defend yourself? --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Cameo Belt ??? ! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net   Hi and be blessed Doug I teach HapKiDo since 1977 with BlackBelts in TaeKwonDo and TangSooDo before HapKiDo. The truth is that the hole deal about what is more convenient for you is really up to you. This is what I recomend ou Doug. If you have your age (I am 52) and it is never late to do something because of age though when late it is, is because you are dead and never did that before dying. HapKiDo is self defence but also HapKiDo if lucky to reseive it purelly it will have more kicks than most not to say all martial arts and if you get ti find a HapKiDo dojang and try a class so you can feel for yourself and see if it is what yopu like bacause there is a lot of pain involved with the training of this art even thought it is a very healthy activity. Do not get me wrong Doug, it is a good activity to do; try it ! HAP Ramon Navarro/HapKiDo SabomNim/Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo/ Panama Country of Panama 6. Cameo Belt - now what (Dugy) Message: 6 From: "Dugy" To: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:10:28 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cameo Belt - now what Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, This do-jang digest is very interesting. I have used some of your exercises that have been emailed to me and with that help and many inspiring notes from this digest, I am now a cameo betl TKD student. I have undergone the forms for the belts below. I have just begun studying the cameo belt. In 3 classes, I've studied some self-defense, kicking and entire class worth of sparring with each member cameo - Black belt levels. My question is when I began this study, I asked specifically for self defense moves. Though I am receiving these and am quite happy with what I have learned, I have been reading that HAPKIDO is also a self defense course, with less kicking. All I am interested in is self - defense. Is it time to continue with TKD as a form of self defense or should I switch to HAPKIDO. I am 57 and have had it with not knowing how to protect myself. Starting late I agree, but I am on it now & though I wish I had started many moons ago, I am learning now. I wish to be self proficient in self defense.. I'd like your opinions on whether to continue with TKD or move on to HAPKIDO, or finish TKD then go to HAPKIDO. Thank you in advance. Doug M   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Neil Burton" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Fractured scaphoid Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 12:08:09 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig et al Thanks - I am booking to see a physiotherapist as I have not been offered one by the hospital. I have been to the gym cycling which seemed fine Hopefully it will heal soon Taekwon Neil -----Original Message----- From: Craig Zeigler [mailto:craig@cfrscca.net] Sent: 29 May 2005 04:23 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fractured scaphoid Neil Burton wrote: >Dear All > >Well I have resumed my TKD training in Amsterdam >(starting two weeks ago), and now, in an unrelated >mountain biking accident, have fractured my scaphoid! > >The advice I am looking for is if anyone has done this (someone must >have), and if the consensus is that you can still train, and if yes, >what is in (Tuls?) and what is out (obviously sparring is out, and >press >ups!) > >A last piece of the puzzle is that I also cross train >in weights, running, cycling, walking, and gym >machines. What do people think is reasonable training >- I really don't want to lose my tone or overall >fitness - but also don't want to make my wirst any >worse than it currently is > >Taekwon > >Neil >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard >disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > My advice is, as with any injury, listen to your doctor. If they tell you to lay off, then listen. This is coming from someone who has broken a knee several times, and even managed to finish a class on 2 torn ligaments (don't ask, it wasn't smart). Do the PT as you're told, but feel free to ask the therepist what else you can do to accelerate healing without causing more problems. They're trained profesisonals that (hopefully) know what they're doing. Best wishes, and get better soon. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 12:36:54 +0200 From: Hjalte Kiefer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] board breaking question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have never allowed any of my students below 15-16 years, to break a board. The problem with them trying to break a board is, if they hit it wrong, and their bones break. The problem lies in, that kids below that age don't have fully devoleped bones, and if one of them breaks, there's quite a chance, that it wont be growing together the right way, and they'll have an injury for lifetime. And I wouldn't feel right, to have caused that injury to one of my kid student! I know this shouldn't happen, but kids tend to think it's harder than it actually is to break a board, and they might have that in their head, while they hit the board, and they might hit the board wrong, breaking something in themselves. On 5/29/05, Craig Zeigler wrote: > > BJ Pritchett wrote: > > >We are getting ready to introduce board breaking to some of our students. > I > >am told kids should break boards measuring 9" while adults do 11" boards. > I > >thought the kid boards were smaller. Can someone please advise me what > they > >use at there school for kids and adults? We've been using break away > >boards, but I want the children to experience real boards. Any input > would > >be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > >Thanks Much! > > > > BJ > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > > > > From white belt, I have always broken 12" by 12" by .75" baords. all > ages break the same board. If a student isn't ready to break a board, > they aren't given the oppritunity. this is done to protect them from > injury. We never used thinner or smaller boards as it makes the students > feel they aren't strong enough or good enough to be held to the same > standard. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Brian Beach Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 07:32:37 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Failure smailure Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fail or pass you still show up for class. In the grand scheme of things its just a bump in the road. If you would have passed you still would have shown up for the next class and continued your training - right? This is just an ego bruise and like all bruises it hurts a bit at first and goes away. Even if you passed not much has really changed from day to day. It's all about the training. Only time i notice my belt is putting it on and taking it off and even then its not guaranteed. On the upside 1. you know now specifically what you have to work on and 2. You can be confident in the knowledge that your instructor is not just giving belts away. Brian On May 29, 2005, at 6:05 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Subject: [The_Dojang] Failure > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Hey guys > > I failed my blackbelt grading. Any tips? Suicide looks good. > > Cheers > EdmundT --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:38:22 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Failed black belt test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First of all...if everyone passed everytime, then it wouldn't be worth much would it? Second, it is impossible to say what failing meant in your case. My expereince has been that in some schools 20% of students fail first try, in other schools no one fails. In any event, take a deep breath, refocus and when you are ready, test again. If it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger. As a former Sabunim taught me," If you fall 7 times rise 8 times!" My friend, yopu fell only once...rise up and become the black belt you are destined to be! Respectfully, Sid Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:09:18 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Failure... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Edmund, Failure is the mind/body way of learning. To never experience failure would be to never have attempted to succeed. Its not how we loose or how many times we fail, (well except maybe in combat) its how we get up and learn from our attempts to succeed. I'll leave you with the best quote I know about attempting to succeed...."Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. " Theodore Roosevelt Your friend in the martial arts, Don Kirsch Edmund wrote: Hey guys I failed my blackbelt grading. Any tips? Suicide looks good. Cheers EdmundT --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:45:33 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Failed test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net QUOTE: Hey guys I failed my black belt grading. Any tips? Suicide looks good. Cheers EdmundT -- __--__-- UNQUOTE! Edmund, You failed for a reason, you just have to figure out what that reason is and go on from there. It's really not hard to fail, but passing is. Example: I just failed one of my 2nd Dan going to 3rd Dan. Why? He thought he was ready, knew the patterns well, knew the history well, but mentally he wasn't prepared to take it to the next level. For me, in order for one to attain black belt degrees after 1st Dan, they must be mentally ready for any attack at any time. If they do poorly in a school testing setting, how well will they do on the street where it is real? Consider yourself lucky that it was your instructor who failed you and not some thug on the street. Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Junkredmailbox@cs.com Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:34:22 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] A new organization Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I ready don't know where to start. I am with an organization that I am growing apart from. The instructor who started this organization and I have different views. I have struggled with the issue of money with him. I fought back and defended him for several years when people said he likes money and know I believe he is all about the money. I want to stay with an organization so that I continue to grow as a martial artist. I am originally from a Japanese art (Shotokan) and now studying TKD. My friends and I want to break away from him and want to find a good organization or start another. Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks Chris --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Oceania Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo to benefit from Oceania's union Submitted by Arthur Wate on 30 May, 2005 - 11:04am Solomon Star THE Solomon Islands Taekwondo Union (SITU) will get more benefit from the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) if Oceania is baptised to become WTF's fifth regional union. WTF has only four regional unions namely, Pan-America (which includes North, Central and South America), Africa, Asia, and Europe. The WTF general assembly, in April strongly recommends Oceania to have its own regional union. Expanding the taekwondo family to Oceania will create opportunities for learning about the sport around the world, coaches shall be invited to WTF headquarters for training courses and encouraged to disseminate their knowledge in their homelands. The reform committee resolved that the fact Australia hosted the Olympic Games twice should support it's (Australia's) case to serve as the new region's cornerstone. One rationale for adding a regional union is that WTF should ascribe to the best international practices to promote the sport of taekwondo and the spirit of Olympism. In this regard, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has five continental unions. Oceania covers approximately 25,000 islands of the Pacific, excluding such non-tropical areas as the Ryukyu and Aleutian islands and Japan, as well as Taiwan, Indonesia, and the Philippines, whose populations are more closely related to mainland Asia. It includes more than 25 nations with Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Guam, Tonga, Solomon Islands and Vanuatu, being grouped with the Asian Taekwondo Union, making it the WTF's largest Regional Union with 51 members. When the WTF adopts a fifth region for Oceania, it should recognise each of the countries' differences and tailor its programmes to accounts for the diversity in this vast region, which is sub - divided into Micronesia, Melanesia and Polynesia. Due to time or financial constraints, the WTF may be tempted to develop a generic programme throughout all countries. However, the long-term success and sustainability of the WTF's activities in Oceania will be improved by its targeted approach to a particular country's needs. Based on numerous areas of research, there is evidence that sport contributes to community development and assists in alleviating some of the negative effects of the erosion of traditional cultures. As such, creating a new regional union for Oceania will take a financial investment on the part of the WTF for such necessities as establishing a new regional office. Its creation will also expand the responsibilities and most likely the workload of the WTF headquarters to some extent. Moreover, a new Oceania region will give a stronger voice to this vast, far-flung region of the world, with its many small and less-developed island nations. Furthermore, there is the potential to enlarge the WTF network from its existing 177 member associations by introducing taekwondo to some of these island nations. In line to the above recommendations, WTF had sanctioned the first Oceania Taekwondo Championships to be held in Sydney, Australia on 16th and 17th July this year. The tournament would be in four Olympic weight categories. To prepare for this first championship, SITU has met last week in Honiara to discuss what steps to take and to have some trials next month before the games. "We appeal to the public to support us with our preparation. Taekwondo is one of the medal sports since 1995 South Pacific Games in Tahiti," said SITU president John Alick. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest