Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 03:04:07 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #229 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Failed Black Belt Test (jakskru) 2. A new organization (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 3. Failed Test (Brian Beach) 4. Hapkido kicking (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 5. Re: Martial Arts & Terrorism (Mike Prairie) 6. Re: Hapkido kicking (Hjalte Kiefer) 7. Re: Hapkido kicking (Patrick Williams) 8. WTF personnel shuffle (Ray) 9. failing black belt test (Tkdsid@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Failed Black Belt Test Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:52:39 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net just one piece of advice....you have to lose the ego part, then there will be nothing to bruise...and as for the enthusiasm part, you should now redouble your efforts....that is how you will succeed. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:56:45 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] A new organization Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Chris I was in a similar position about 30 years ago. My friends and I did break away and started a school. One of the same reasons was money. We were young and idealistic. We found that our instructor was about money. He did get rich off MA and was able to quit his day job. Today, he is still head of a large money making organization. My friends and I matured and pursued various careers. One of my friends still runs the MA program that we started 30 years ago. As one get older, money become important and the need for it become greater. I have a family today. My family is involved with TKD. It has been great for my kids. Funny thing the Grand Master, who has a family, want to make good money to provide for his family and his retirement someday. He has changed over the years and now money is very important to him. My advice would be to make a list of your goals for both short and long term objectives. Compare the list to your current school and identify what is missing. Now go shopping around at local MA schools. Compare those schools to your list. Make sure you talk to students and watch several classes at the other schools. If possible talk to former students about their reasons for quitting. This should help you to come to the best decision. Remember to look before you leap. Good Luck John >“I ready don't know where to start. I am with an organization that I am >growing apart from. The instructor who started this organization and I have >different views. I have struggled with the issue of money with him. I fought back and >defended him for several years when people said he likes money and know I >believe he is all about the money. I want to stay with an organization so that I >continue to grow as a martial artist. I am originally from a Japanese art >(Shotokan) and now studying TKD. My friends and I want to break away from him and >want to find a good organization or start another. Any comments or suggestions >will be appreciated. >Thanks >Chris --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Brian Beach Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:57:37 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Failed Test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Edmund, Don't let it dull your enthusiasm. How you respond to failing a test separates the men from the boys. Now is the time to choose whether martial arts was a passing fancy, (going to get a black belt for the "life resume" ) or is it going to become ingrained into your life style. Perhaps you should look at failing the test as the true test. What are you made of when the chips are down. Which is what you are training for ultimately anyway. Correct? Can I save my ass when it counts. It is an exercise in spirit. Martial arts are for more then kicking butt. These lessons are much more important then the perfect roundhouse. Concur yourself before you can concur over others. Good Luck and In Nae, Brian On May 30, 2005, at 10:51 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > I guess what hurts is the enthusiasm I now have for taekwondo in > general. It is a blow to the ego admittedly, but also a blow to my > enthusiasm. Reaching the black belt for most of us would be something > of a personal achievement. I guess for me there is still a long way to > go. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 12:17:57 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alain said " I would bet that most Hapkidoin in Korea know more kicks than TKD because of the added low kicks. " I am normally not a betting person , but I would take that bet. TKD does teach and practice low kicks. John --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Mike Prairie Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts & Terrorism Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:14:30 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's the article: Bradenton Herald (Bradenton, FL) Copyright 2005 The Bradenton Herald May 30, 2005 Section: local Men facing terrorism charges Fla. doctor charged with terrorism LISA ORKIN EMMANUEL, Associated Press The FBI arrested a Florida doctor and New York martial arts expert on federal terrorism charges, saying they conspired to treat and train terrorists, federal prosecutors announced Sunday. The FBI arrested a Florida doctor and New York martial arts expert on federal terrorism charges, saying they conspired to treat and train terrorists, federal prosecutors announced Sunday. Rafiq Abdus Sabir, a Boca Raton physician, and Tarik Shah, a self- described martial arts expert in New York, were both charged in Manhattan federal court with conspiring to provide material support to al-Qaida, according to the U.S. Attorney's office in the Southern District of New York. Both men are American citizens. Shah also known as Tarik Ibn Osman Shah, Tarik Jenkins and Abu Musab, prosecutors said. Sabir was arrested Saturday and was held at the Palm Beach County Jail. It was not immediately known where Shah was being held. Prosecutors said Sabir agreed to treat jihadists, or holy warriors in Saudi Arabia, while Shah agreed to train them in hand-to-hand combat. The one-count complaint details a sting operation from 2003 to 2005 in which the two men took an oath pledging their allegiance to al-Qaida. Sabir was to fly to Saudi Arabia on June 2, prosecutors said. Both men are scheduled to be arraigned in federal court on Tuesday, Shah in New York and Sabir in Florida. Mike Prairie On May 30, 2005, at 8:11 AM, Todd Miller wrote: > I herd on NBC that a New York Martial Artist was charged with > providing hand > to hand combat training for Al Qaida! Has anyone herd of this? If > so I am > currious as to the details. > > Thanks > Todd Miller > www.millersmudo.com > Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 20:18:01 +0200 From: Hjalte Kiefer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, at my dojang, we practice a lot of low kicks. It's actually very efficient. And it's good to know where and why you attack. The low kicks are just as efficient as high kicks. And it's much easier to use them, if you aren't warmed up. If you are going to do an Ap Chagi, it doesn't say, whether you are hitting the stomack, head og knees. Even with Ap Chagi, there's at least 7 different places to hit, where it's more than effective. I think it's a matter of where you are training. And which instructor you are training with. If it's minded towards competition, the low kicks of cause aren't practiced a lot. But if you are practicing street fight (thats what we call it at my dojang. Everingthing is allowed, low kicks, high punches, throws, locks), the low kicks are more than viable! ---hjalte On 5/30/05, Johnjfitzg@aol.com wrote: > > Alain said " I would bet that most Hapkidoin in Korea know > more kicks than TKD because of the added low kicks. " > > I am normally not a betting person , but I would take that bet. TKD does > teach and practice low kicks. > John > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 12:56:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido kicking To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Most of the high flying kicks or done for demo's. Hapkido kicks also have within them circular motion. The demo type kicks are not practiced at every school across america so you won't see them at your local dojang. Johnjfitzg@aol.com wrote:Alain said " I would bet that most Hapkidoin in Korea know more kicks than TKD because of the added low kicks. " I am normally not a betting person , but I would take that bet. TKD does teach and practice low kicks. John _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF personnel shuffle Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF conducts headquarters' organizational changes, personnel reshuffle 11 May 2005 The World Taekwondo Federation conducted a major organizational change of its headquarters and personnel reshuffle on May 11, 2005, in an effort to enhance the efficiency and responsiveness of its headquarters administration. In line with the recommendations of the WTF Reform Committee, the WTF newly created the Marketing Division and reorganized the International Affairs Division into the Planning and Finance Division, thus activating its marketing programs and enhancing its transparency in matters pertaining to finance. To better serve its member National Associations around the world, the WTF also nominated regional specialists. As part of its reform efforts to strengthen international and public relations activities, as well as headquarters staff training programs, the WTF also brought in two foreign and two local specialists. Under the reshuffle... Choe Man-seek was appointed as deputy secretary general in charge of overall affairs related to the Planning and Finance Division and the Marketing Division. Lim Yoon-taek was appointed as the liaison officer for domestic affairs. Kim Hwan-pyo was named to serve as director of the General Affairs Division. Kim is also in charge of cooperation and assistance affairs for Spanish-speaking member National Associations. Park Jung-ae was appointed as director of the Planning and Finance Division. She also serves as director of the Marketing Division. Lee Sang-heon was appointed as director of the Sport Division. Yoo Hai-min was named as director of the Refereeing Division. Kang Seok-jae was appointed as director of the Public Relations Division. Jerry Ling from Singapore was brought in to work for the Planning and Finance Division. He is also in charge of cooperation and assistance affairs for member National Associations in Asia and Africa. Jee Hee Vanden Berghe from Belgium was also named to work for the Planning and Finance Division. She is also in charge of cooperation and assistance affairs for member National Associations in Europe and French-speaking region. The WTF is fully committed to the continuous implementation of its reform program, in line with the reform policy of the International Olympic Committee. The world's taekwondo governing body, under a new leadership headed by Dr. Chungwon Choue, created a Reform Committee in November 2004 to work out a final reform report containing 215 recommendations in 16 major reform areas in February this year. The WTF approved the recommendations at its General Assembly in Madrid, Spain on April 12, 2005, thus paving the way for its full-pledged reform. * For further information, please contact Kang Seok-jae, director of the WTF's Public Relations Division (+82-2-557-5446 or +82-2-11-773-0241). --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:20:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] failing black belt test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Edmund, Maybe it was a scoring error or maybe it was an overestimation on your part of your performance. More than likely, without knowing a thing about you, your master or your schoool...I'll bet it was something along the order of your not being sufficiently humble, or as some masters put it,"...he did well, but wasn't "ready". Don't be too tough on yourself...look at the scoring, work on any deficincies, test again and hold your bow for 4 seconds (it's more than likely that is the reason!). Sid --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest