Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:04:51 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #231 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Hapkido (J R Hilland) 2. Power, intention and ground (Sujatha Jesudason) 3. How about "completed testing process"? (dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org) 4. Re: Hapkido (Ray) 5. BLACK BELT TEST FAIL (Richard Tomlinson) 6. Re: Hapkido (jakskru) 7. Re: Re: HKD kicks (Patrick Williams) 8. Re: Hapkido Kicks (aburrese@aol.com) 9. Tae Kwon Do instructor faces sex assault charge (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As a hapkido instructor for several decades, I can't say I agree with the statement below. But then again, I would not want to 'label' hapkido as being 'this or that' kind of art - other than saying that hapkido is a complete unarmed and weapons art of self defense. Yes, some dojang emphasize different aspects of the art, rather than teaching the whole art of hapkido. I have seen hapkido dojang that teach only kicking techniques till chodan and others, to the opposite extreme, that do not teach kicking till chodan. But most traditional hapkido dojang will emphasize a balance of the many aspects of hapkido. BTW, leg techniques in hapkido are not limited to kicks. FWIW, hapkido DOES NOT have less kicking than taekwondo. I am also not sure what hapkido and karate have to do with each other. For a further review of hapkido, I would recommend Hapkido Volumes I (the hapkido bible) & II by Dr. Kimm He Young or studying in a traditional hapkido dojang. Sorry, but the post below was so full of errors that I had to comment. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:11:11 -0700 From: "Sujatha Jesudason" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Power, intention and ground Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been training in taekwondo for a little more than a year and I am also doing research on women martial artists. A couple of terms that come up often are "power", "intention" and "ground". While they are all very central concepts I have heard them described differently by different people. My sense is that they mean different things in martial arts than in other areas. What are some of the ways people understand, use and practice these concepts in martial arts? Sujatha --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:06:41 -0500 From: dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] How about "completed testing process"? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Which is what I just recently did May 21st! It actually took me 8 black belt tests to finally be promoted to 1st Dan in Kuk Sool Won. The way black belt testing is conducted in KSW, NOBODY passes on their first test, because the testing process has only just begun. I could look at it as having failed 7 times, but that isn't what it is all about. In fact, my instructor informed me when my last "test" would be beforehand, so I had no fear of "failing" the final test (just nervousness at how strenuous and demanding it would be) unless I failed to show up or didn't demonstrate the proper etiquette required (very important!). I think the black belt testing process in KSW is as much a part of the journey as was advancing through the colored belts. JKN Dean --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > FWIW, hapkido DOES NOT have less kicking than taekwondo. I am also not sure > what hapkido and karate have to do with each other. ... > > << Tae Kwon Do and Karate Hapkido is more for hand techniques, and yes it has > less kicking then Tae Kwon Do.>>> I had to read it a couple of times before I realized that some punctuation was missing in the original post. I believe it was meant to read, "I've taken about 3 martial arts in my life; Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do and Karate. Hapkido is more for ..." To my way of thinking... HKD has more kicks than does TKD, but it has less kicking. There is a big diff, yes? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:32:17 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] BLACK BELT TEST FAIL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The best things in life are the most difficult to achieve, this makes us appreciate and mostly RESPECT. Failure has been a valuable lesson.. how can you learn if you do not fail? Edmund... get into that dojang with perseverance and enthusiasim... you will acheive your black belt and really know that you have earned it . sandy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:45:03 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i cannot comment on whether or not TKD has more kicks, but i do know that we at our dojang are taught quite a few kicks, and they are not limited to a specific area other than attacking the opening that you have available....if that means a kick, then it is a kick, if it is a strike, then it is a strike, or a throw, or a lock...etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido > > FWIW, hapkido DOES NOT have less kicking than taekwondo. I am also not sure > > what hapkido and karate have to do with each other. ... > > > > << > Tae Kwon Do and Karate Hapkido is more for hand techniques, and yes it has > > less kicking then Tae Kwon Do.>>> > > I had to read it a couple of times before I realized that some punctuation > was missing in the original post. > > I believe it was meant to read, "I've taken about 3 martial arts in my life; > Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do and Karate. Hapkido is more for ..." > > To my way of thinking... HKD has more kicks than does TKD, but it has less > kicking. There is a big diff, yes? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: HKD kicks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My understanding also is TKD kicks in its purest form comes from Karate. Joon Rhee's first classes in the U.S. were without all the high flying kicks. Hapkido and TKD kicks have evolved greatly over the years, though I still prefer mid level, I must still train for head kicks. Klaas Barends wrote:> Most of the high flying kicks or done for demo's. Hapkido kicks > also have within them circular motion. The demo type kicks are not > practiced at every school across america so you won't see them at > your local dojang. > I think Alain is comparing HKD en TKD dojang IN KOREA.... >From what I heard TKD originally only had three kicks or so. Front, Roundhouse and Side kick. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:46:09 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My bad, I should not generalize TKD just as it bothers me when people generalize Hapkido. I just wanted to make the point that HKD has a lot of kicking too, and I have been to HKD schools that teach more kicking than some TKD schools I've been to. Both arts vary a lot with what is taught at each individual dojang. For me, I find nothing in TKD that Hapkido does not have, except for the competition. So it was no choice to choose. I train in HKD period. I have nothing against TKD, but I don't understand why so many TKD people want to do HKD too. In that case, why not pick HKD in the first place, unless competing is important and then you should take the TKD path. So yes, I realize some TKD schools teach low kicks too, but some don't. Just like some HKD schools teach forms, while others do not, and so on. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Do instructor faces sex assault charge Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Newmarket Tae Kwon Do instructor faces sex assault charge May 31, 2005 Dover, New Hampshire NEWMARKET--A local Tae Kwon Do instructor has been charged with sexually assaulting a female child. Newmarket police took Keith M. Ingraham, 54, of 58 Schanda Drive, Newmarket, into custody at his home without incident early Saturday morning, charging him with aggravated felonious sexual assault and committing the offense of obscene matter, said police. Ingraham allegedly digitally penetrated the victim on or about May 18 and photographed the victim's genitalia on or about May 15, according to court documents. Ingraham, held on $50,000 cash bail or surety at Rockingham County jail, was arraigned this morning at Rockingham County Superior Court in Brentwood. He appeared before District Court Judge Laurence Cullen and pleaded "not guilty." The police chief said the investigation began last week, after the victim's parents reported the incident. The investigation continues, he said. The victim was known to the suspect, police said. The minor is doing as well as can be expected, the chief said. For a number of years, Ingraham has volunteered at Newmarket Junior Senior High School and at the Newmarket Recreation Department, teaching Tae Kwon Do. Bail conditions include no contact with Tae Kwon Do students, Newmarket elementary students and Newmarket junior-senior students. The alleged crime, however, did not take place at the school or the community center, police said. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest