Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 03:04:40 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #233 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Vietnam to build first-rate TKD center (Ray) 2. Hakido Kicks v.s. TKD kicks (Stuart Rosenberg) 3. Sex Abuse (Bruce Sims) 4. Re: Hakido Kicks v.s. TKD kicks (Jay O'Connor) 5. Re: Hapkido Kicks (Christopher Spiller) 6. Re: Re: Hapkido Kicks (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 05:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Vietnam to build first-rate TKD center Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanh Nien News Vietnam to build first-rate taekwondo training center Vietnam will likely start construction on a first-rate Taekwondo Institute in Ho Chi Minh City by the end of 2005 to serve the training of both local and foreign athletes. The seven-storey Taekwondo Institute will cost about 30 billion VND and will be considered the training headquarters for Vietnamese martial artists. "Our partner, the Sports Center of HCMC's district 4, is finalizing all the paperwork before submitting the proposal to our governing body," said Truong Ngoc De, general secretary of the Vietnam Taekwondo Federation. "If everything is on the right track, construction should start by the end of this year." The institute will have the latest equipment and gather the best coaches to produce local and foreign fighters at the international level. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:34:21 -0400 From: "Stuart Rosenberg" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hakido Kicks v.s. TKD kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Rosenberg [mailto:pdsstuart@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:50 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #232 - 8 msgs ........ I was curious about your statement in your last post "hapkido DOES NOT have less kicking than taekwondo" I have been a student of General Choi Hong Hi's I.T.F. style Tae Kwon Do for approximately five years and am getting close to testing for 1st Dan.In an effort to become a more well rounded martial artist I have been cross training in Hapkido part time for several months and hope to test for my first belt in a few weeks. I have learned several kicks in Hapkido which I was not taught in TKD,kicks below the waist to the shins,knees and groin.I have not seen some of the kicks which I have been taught in Tae Kwon Do in my Hapkido classes.Specifically,spin crescent kicks,360 degree side kicks,360 degree round kicks,butterfly kicks(a combination,outside crescent/jump inside crescent) and the jumping kicks(front ,side ,round,crescent,spin heel).I know these are flashy kicks, without a lot of practical value in a street defense situation, but I was curious if you have seen any of these in your Hapkido training. I was just wondering,being the novice that I am in Hapkido, if these kicks are not used in Hapkido in general or just not taught in the Hapkido school I am a member of? Sincerely, Gregg REPLY Dear Gregg, I'm answering a question that wasn't directed to me because I noticed that you are correct IMO. Traditional HKD comming from Ji Han Jae's lineage has none of the kicks you list above, That's not to say some Hapkidoists don't use them but it's not part of the system as I know it. HKD kicks are designed to be more useful in real life, not designed to score a point if you will, even the so called "flashy kicks" of HKD have a place in a combat situation maybe a very very small window of opportuniy but never the less a time to be used. Good observation! Hapki Stuart Rosenberg www.americanhapkidostudios.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sex Abuse Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....Newmarket Tae Kwon Do instructor faces sex assault charge May 31, 2005 Dover, New Hampshire...." Ahh, yes. Another proud day for Korean Martial Arts. Lets see. HOW many does that make in the last 12 months?? Shall we factor in the issues with the TKD community including the Olympics problems, the deceit and the fraud? How about the the misrepresentation and certificate fraud of months past? Hell, why stop there. Lets talk about the Hapkido instuctor that killed a guy with a sword, or the implications of a person who is arrested on some charge being described as a "martial arts expert". Seems like there is a VERY thin line between the solitary nature of walking the martial arts Path, and the tendency for a solitary individual to see themselves as unaccountable to the community in general. Of course, this is a pretty American take on things. The traditional take on Martial Arts has usually been that the arts serve to make the person MORE accountable to their community. Traditonally more was expected FROM a person who had undergone such training. I guess I am curious about where folks see the modern MA having taken a wrong turn--- and what we are going to do about. Or--- maybe folks are titilated at the thought of a 50 y/o groping children. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:40:14 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hakido Kicks v.s. TKD kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have learned several kicks in Hapkido which I was not taught in > TKD,kicks below the waist to the shins,knees and groin. For what it's worth, I take classes based on WTF (at least, we do olympc-style sparring and Taegeuk forms) However we do learn and practice low kicks. Front (snap) kicks to the groin, sidekics to the knee and thigh, kicks and sweeps to the shin. Our instructor, though, focuses more on TKD as a fighting/self-defense application than a sport application. Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Just out of curiosoty, Ray, hich styles of Hapkido and Taekwon-Do are you comparing here? >Sin Moo Hapkido with most any version of TKD. >e.g. there are 25 basic kicks in Sin Moo Hapkido. A >change in the target area (low/middle/high) does not >mean a different kick, just a different target for >the kick. Interesting. I just did a quick perusal of Gen. Choi's encyclopedia and from my count there seem to be 27 basic kicks. YMMV as there's no "official" listing of basic vs. advanced kicks that I'm aware of. When counting I eliminated kicks to various heights, of course, as well as some that are fundamentally the same but delivered via different angles (e.g., turning vs. side turning kicks). All the kicks I counted were executed from a standing position, not jumping (with the exception of the scissor-shaped kick), skipping or prone, which eliminates many techniques. I also excluded foot tackling as these techniques are more sweeps than proper kicks (but I did include Sweeping kicks as they are executed rather differently and have a separate entry). >After the 25 basic kicks you get into the jumping, >spinning, springing off the walls (yes!), etc etc >kicks. Heh, yeah, we have kicks off the walls, too (Reflex kick). I've seen my old instructor break with it, too. Pretty impressive. >So, not sure how this compares with ITF TKD, my CD->rom and ITF books are at home. How does that >compare in your mind? I've never seen Sin Moo's 25 basic kicks demonstrated, so can't really say. The numbers seem fairly comparable, however. I'd be interested in hearing about GM Ji's more advanced kicking techniques, too. Taekwon, Chris >I was wrong once before, so... >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Kicks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >> Just out of curiosoty, Ray, hich styles of Hapkido > and Taekwon-Do are you comparing here? > > >Sin Moo Hapkido with most any version of TKD. > > >e.g. there are 25 basic kicks in Sin Moo Hapkido. A > >change in the target area (low/middle/high) does not > >mean a different kick, just a different target for > >the kick. > > Interesting. I just did a quick perusal of Gen. Choi's > encyclopedia and from my count there seem to be 27 > basic kicks. YMMV as there's no "official" listing of > basic vs. advanced kicks that I'm aware of. Good info. Thanks for resetting my thinking. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest