Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:45:44 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #241 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. NKMAA HapKiDo Seminar (kevin_janisse@comcast.net) 2. Re: Self Defense (Beungood8@aol.com) 3. LOOKING FOR LA BASED KOREAN ACTOR (Nancy Nayor) 4. Bowing to Korean Flag (Jason & Nicole Swanson) 5. Self-Defense (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 6. Cho Dan (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. Uniform Issues (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Who has the most kicking (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 9. RE: Bowing to Korean Flag (Rick Clark) 10. short and wide (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: kevin_janisse@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:00:15 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] NKMAA HapKiDo Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The NKMAA Northwest HapKiDo Seminar with GM Rudy Timmerman will be on August 20th. For registration form and flyer, Goto: http://www.nkma.us/2005%20nkmaa%20Events.html Space is limited to 60 persons so sign up early. See you there. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:48:42 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 6/8/2005 2:46:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Although I can see how effective they are at training, does anyone have examples of where a technique has been used in a real life situation and what the result was please? I showed a Gun disarm to a colleague of mine and while putting a prisoner in the cell she took a weapon from someone else. My friend was able to strip the weapon out of her hand after she threatened to shoot them. Myself, Numerous armbars to gain control of a assaultive people. I once was chasing someone and running up behind them they threw an arm behind them to hit am I blocked/grabbed arm across my body and reached around and grabbed their chin and did head control. The result was the person got thrown and hit the ground and was surprised (as I was; didn't really like technique;but it was only lock I could flow into) and unable to mount a counter. End result the batterer of a 50 yea rold man and his wife hancuffed. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Nancy Nayor" To: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:42:25 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] LOOKING FOR LA BASED KOREAN ACTOR Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, My name is Nancy Nayor Battino. I'm a casting director for a new movie being produced by Mandate Pictures and the team that produced THE GRUDGE. It is called RISE. It stars Lucy Liu and Michael Chiklis. I am looking for the character of POE, who is a vampire, needs to be strong at martial arts and Korean. Can you help me with any resources to find a powerful, interesting man, 50's, who has acting experience. We had wanted Randall Duk Kim from the MATRIX, but he lives in NY and we need someone who is based in LA. Please let me know if you know of anyone who would like to audition, or any resources I could contact for older Korean actors with martial arts experience. This role shoots in Los Angeles - June 22 - June 25th m then July 28th and 29th. People could e-mail photos or drop off photos at my office : 6320 Commodore Sloat, LA, CA 90048 Thank you. Nancy Nayor Battino Casting Director --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jason & Nicole Swanson" To: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:18:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing to Korean Flag Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just got a voice mail from a perspective student asking about if we could make an exception for them with regard to our custom of bowing to the Korean flag. We have the American and Korean flags hung next to each other at the front of the room with the American flag in the right hand (senior) position. We bow to the flags and the instructor at the beginning and end of each class. I've been teaching for almost 10 years now and this is the first time this has every come up for me, I'm hoping to get a little feedback from the digest on how someone may have handled a similiar situation. This is how my instructor did things and how I have always conducted classes. Is there anyone out there who has decided to not bow to the Korean flag? Any suggestions on what I can do about this prospective student? I consider the bow to the flags a simple sign of respect to our nation and those who came before us as the founders of the art. Although I haven't talked to her about it yet, I'm guess that she sees the bow as a sign of subserviance to Korea. I'm sure it can probably be worked out by talking with her, but I am inclined not to allow her an exception to the way we do things. Best Regards, Jason Swanson 5th Dan TKD, 2nd Dan HKD Lincoln, NE --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:54:33 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self-Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Felicity Self-Defense is relative to the situation. In class with a partner, techniques can work much easier than in real self-defense. Most of the techniques taught in the martial arts in gereral are conceptual. I mean it is the concept you use in defense not a particular technique. For example: when you practice a low block, it is not practiced the same way it is used in sparring. Nobody steps forward in a front stance and does a low block against an attack during sparring. In real self-defense the attacker does not always stand in front of you or grab with the right hand, or grab exactly the way you have been practicing. You must apply the concept you learned from the drils you practice and adapt. Because many martial artist do not understand this they develope a false since of security. Things to consider; In class you have a partner that you respect, and is cooperating with you so you can learn the concept In competitions like the UFC both conpetitors are skilled in defending, this creates a new problem for someone that is trying to apply a Ho Shin Sool Technique On the street you may have the element of surprise to your advantage. Remember that simplicity works, overly complicated techniques are fine for demonstrations but reduce the chance of sucess in real self-defense. I have used self-defense techniques twice in 25 years, In hind site it was the concept that worked, not an deficult fancy technique. Good Luck in your traning JC CoxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:58:45 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cho Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cho Dan does as Ray said mean beginning Dan, however Dan means level so it might be more accurate to say beginning level. Cho Dan, 1st Dan, iLL Dan or just blackbelt does not mean you have become an expert. It means you have learned enough about the basic ideas and concepts that you are ready to begin training. Thank You JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:02:31 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Uniform Issues Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Andy This is a good question. I have had students over the years with this problem. They have corrected this by getting a uniform 1 or 2 sizes to big and cutting the length to fit. This allows the legs and in seam to be larger and create more freedom of movement Respectfully JC Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:17:08 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Who has the most kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On this kicking issue. Does HKD or TKD have the most kicking. I have new students come in and ask what % kicking and what % hands we are. To me this is a question with no answer. let me explain: IMHO It does not matter if you have more kicking techniques or hand techniques. A real defense situation may require 100% kicking or 100% hands. It may require 100% grappling skill, or 100% good since. Most Korean martial arts have front kick, roundhouse kick and sidekick, they have reverse punch. Beyond that one style may have a few techniues the other does not have, but is it real important in the large picture??? I think it is more important to recognize what techniques are Martial and which ones are Art. I mean in real combat will you use a reverse punch and a front kick? I believe yes. Will you use a jump back spinning kick probably not. That does not mean we should not practice those technques. It like having a tool box full of tools. you don't pull out the pliers to nail in a screw. You need to be able to reach into the tool box and pull out the appropreate tool for the job. The practice of some techniques IMHO help to maintain a connection to the arts history, and tradition, and maitains its purity as an art. Some techniques are practice for combat JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:29:04 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Bowing to Korean Flag To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jason, I have had this problem not only with flags but bowing to each other. It's been a long time ago but as I remember it was based on a religious belief. I did not push the issue. I suspect if they have a problem with one thing they will have problems with other matters as well, I guess it's up to you if you want to teach a person who does not conform to the normal standards of your club, and to that of other clubs as well. I suspect if they do practice with you they will find fault with other things and they may become a thorn in your side. But then again they may turn out to be the best student's) you have ever had. In the long run you need to decide if it's worth an extra student in your club that does not follow the normal procedures in your class. If students see an exception to one thing then others may want to have exceptions to other things as well, let your mind run free here. Personally it's not a big thing to me, but then again I am not big on formality. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason & Nicole Swanson [mailto:swansontkd@neb.rr.com] >I just got a voice mail from a perspective student asking >about if we could make an exception for them with regard to >our custom of bowing to the Korean flag.Best Regards, >Jason Swanson >5th Dan TKD, 2nd Dan HKD --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:55:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] short and wide Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "This is my first post to this list so be gentle :-) I have been studying TKD for a while now (5th Gup) and I'm noticing that my uniform pants really impede my ability to progress with kicking. I am a big guy (wide, not tall) and at age 40 I already have enough flexibility problems without adding the uniform issues. I find that I have to "hike up" my pants all the time to get them out of the way so I can get decent extension on my kicks. Otherwise I am fighting more fabric than opponent" MC Reply No need to hike up an oversize pair....List Member Chajoshim Martial Arts Supply offers a special cut dobohk for the shorter but wider crowd. Train hard, the rest is commentary, MC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest