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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Hapkido/Aikido (Dugy) 2. Re: Hapkido/Aikido (Ray) 3. RE: Hapkido/Aikido (Rick Clark) 4. Re: Hapkido/Aikido (Tim) 5. Re: Cho Dan (brent b) 6. Bowing (Bruce Sims) 7. RE: Re: Cho Dan (Rick Clark) 8. tai chi (Tkdsid@aol.com) 9. Re: Uniform questions (Kenneth W. Legendre) 10. Re: Hapkido/Aikido (Patrick Williams) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dugy" To: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 00:44:55 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido/Aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, About a self defense course: I am a bit confused. I started with TKD and so far have earned my Cameo Belt. But I have been telling my instructor that I am really interested in Self Defense not so much kicking, boxing, sparing etc. He has repeatedly told me I will learn self defense (but I only learn 2 or so with every form) and from any of his black belts do I think how many would not be able to defend themselves in a predicament such as a street fight. I said none and he said of course. However, my contract has ended with TKD - my 6 month course) so I opted to tell him I was switching martial arts. I've been reading/corresponding with a few of you and was thinking of HAPKIDO. I am to the point where I am going to watch a class and get a pep talk on it.. However, tonight I spoke with another instructor purely by accident, and he suggested if i want to learn purely self defense, I should learn AIKIDO. Can someone suggest the best self defense course?? Haikido or aikido? I strictly want self defense... I don't want to start a fight, I want to end it. Thank you. Doug M 57 year old TKD Cameo belt --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido/Aikido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 05:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 57 year old TKD Cameo belt Are you a Cameo belt or a Camo belt? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 07:19:26 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido/Aikido To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Dugy, >I strictly want self defense... I don't want to start a fight, >I want to end it. Contact your local NRA and find a course on the use of firearms provided you are in the USA. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido/Aikido Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:56:09 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A good TKD school will incorporate hapkido and other skills into their training. Where I study for each test their are requirements in judo and hapkido. Some of what you want to learn their may not be time for all at once. I mean for any TKD school there is a core curriculum that is passed down from your schools affiliation. Sometimes learning that takes up much of the time that you attend class. Keep in mind that punching and kicking is self defense. If you want to learn to grapple look at other disciplines along with TKD. No one system is perfect or will it give you the upper hand in every situation. Pure aikido doesn't have any striking at all. Can you imagine a fight without any striking? Most importantly allot of self defense comes from inside of you when you take the basic motions that you have learned in any art and apply it to the given situation. Application cannot be completely taught. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dugy" To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido/Aikido > Hello, > > About a self defense course: > > I am a bit confused. I started with TKD and so far have earned my Cameo > Belt. > But I have been telling my instructor that I am really interested in Self > Defense not so much kicking, boxing, sparing etc. He has repeatedly told > me I > will learn self defense (but I only learn 2 or so with every form) and > from > any of his black belts do I think how many would not be able to defend > themselves in a predicament such as a street fight. I said none and he > said > of course. However, my contract has ended with TKD - my 6 month course) > so I > opted to tell him I was switching martial arts. I've been > reading/corresponding with a few of you and was thinking of HAPKIDO. I am > to > the point where I am going to watch a class and get a pep talk on it.. > However, tonight I spoke with another instructor purely by accident, and > he > suggested if i want to learn purely self defense, I should learn AIKIDO. > > Can someone suggest the best self defense course?? > Haikido or aikido? > > I strictly want self defense... I don't want to start a fight, I want to > end > it. > > Thank you. > > Doug M > 57 year old TKD Cameo belt > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) From: brent b To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Cho Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Here's a very good article on belts and their meanings: http://fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=89 Brent Balfanz the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:58:45 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cho Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cho Dan does as Ray said mean beginning Dan, however Dan means level so it might be more accurate to say beginning level. Cho Dan, 1st Dan, iLL Dan or just blackbelt does not mean you have become an expert. It means you have learned enough about the basic ideas and concepts that you are ready to begin training. Thank You --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There was a time when I became more than a little annoyed at the thought of having to "sell" someone on the idea of bowing in class. Now I take it more as an opportunity to reconcile their views with those of the kwan. True enough, there may be religious, political or only personal reasons for a person to question a specific behavior and thats what I am there for, right? So if a person does not want to "bow in to a partner, maybe its time to consider a hand-shake, or a polite "hi" or "good evening, my name is...." So maybe if a person has a problem with "bowing to" the flag maybe its time for a salute (either military, or hand over the heart). Something as simple as using "Muk Yum" (lit: "quiet thinking") instead of "myung sang" with its more religious connotation for beginning meditation can make a difference without stressing a distinction, yes? My guess is that it does not take any immagination to simply declare that "its my way or the highway". That can always be the default position. I think the challenge for the teacher is to come up with comfortable ways of including rather than excluding students. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:47:48 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Cho Dan To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is a good article, but there is one point that is often neglected by martial artists in regard to the Kyu/Dan system. It was not invented by Kano but only applied to Judo by Kano. In the 17th century Dosaku (1645-1702) a grand master of the board game "Go" introduced the kyu/dan system as a method of handicapping the game. Prof. Kano has been credited with the introduction of the kyu/dan system in the martial arts. http://ao-denkou-kai.org/new_page_6.htm has a bit more about this as well as some information on the role of Erwin Von Baelz and the development of "Do". Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: brent b [mailto:bronaldb@yahoo.com] >Hi all, > >Here's a very good article on belts and their meanings: > >http://fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=89 > >Brent Balfanz --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:05:50 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] tai chi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read somewhere that tai chi is considered by some to be a fierce martial art when applied. Are there any tai chi schools in NY that anyone know about? Sid --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:11:35 -0500 From: "Kenneth W. Legendre" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Uniform questions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Andy, I also have had the same problems. I found 2 different uniform types that worked well for me. The Pro Force (8 oz Tae Kwon Do) uniforms have worked well for me. Another alternative is Kamikaze (America style) uniforms, but these are more expensive (about $120) and the do not have V neck style uniforms which some schools require. The Kamikaze brand are huge in the hips which I love, they are very comfortable, and they last (I have had several that lasted over 4 years wearing them 2 to 3 times a week). The Pro Force uniforms are for sale at Asian World of Martial Arts, the Kamikaze you will have to do a google search for. Hopefully this helps Ken Legendre 4th Dan TKD -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005 --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido/Aikido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Little or no kicking, aikido. You will still need to use your leg's as part of your self defense package. You will need to apply elbow strike to varies parts of the body. Strike areas that can stop a fight or even kill; this is true self defense, this is hoshinsul or as I call it, Ohshinsul. Aikido alone won't do. You will need to provide fast strikes with combinations of locks and throws. Aikido strikes, forget it. Study it for it's flowing motion and ability to off balance a opponent, but make no mistake, you will still need your front kick, side kick, back kick. Low powerful blows to the knee, midsection, spine, kidney, groin. You will have to apply strikes to the outer corner of the eye; where the skin is thin and a sharp bone waits for enough force to be applied to cut. He could lose his eye. He could file suit against you for deadly force. Did he have a gun? Knife? Maybe he was just drank, in that case a good kick up the rear will do. The question is where do you fill comfortable? Do you have the heart to strike a person in his throat knowing what the outcome will be? There are plenty of arts that kick to lower parts. Your TKD will only make your kicking low better. Don't throw away what works. I teach IHF Hapkido. Myung Jae Nam was the aikikai Representative in Korea. Within our system you will find much aikido. But you will find much kicking, throwing, locking, striking. You are still going to have to fight on the mat. Patrick Williams House Of Ohshinsul-Arkansas Hapkido Club Dugy wrote: Hello, About a self defense course: I am a bit confused. I started with TKD and so far have earned my Cameo Belt. But I have been telling my instructor that I am really interested in Self Defense not so much kicking, boxing, sparing etc. He has repeatedly told me I will learn self defense (but I only learn 2 or so with every form) and from any of his black belts do I think how many would not be able to defend themselves in a predicament such as a street fight. I said none and he said of course. However, my contract has ended with TKD - my 6 month course) so I opted to tell him I was switching martial arts. I've been reading/corresponding with a few of you and was thinking of HAPKIDO. I am to the point where I am going to watch a class and get a pep talk on it.. However, tonight I spoke with another instructor purely by accident, and he suggested if i want to learn purely self defense, I should learn AIKIDO. Can someone suggest the best self defense course?? Haikido or aikido? I strictly want self defense... I don't want to start a fight, I want to end it. Thank you. Doug M 57 year old TKD Cameo belt _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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