Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:18:13 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #245 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: TFT Las Vegas (andrew swogger) 2. Re: RE: Bruce Sims' summary comment on bowing (jakskru) 3. Re: Master (Edward Peters, III) 4. Re: Re: Greeting the flag (jurgen lur) 5. Striking in pure Aikido (john.a.mcintosh@bt.com) 6. RE: Kukki-scam (Kevin F. Donohue) 7. Re: Kids everywhere (Hjalte Kiefer) 8. RE: Striking in pure Aikido (Rick Clark) 9. Bowing to flags (Ray) 10. teaching hapkido to children (J R Hilland) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "andrew swogger" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TFT Las Vegas Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:07:10 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >A contact of mine has highly recommended a course called TFT Las Vegas. >Details can be found at: > >http://www.self-defense-training.org/products_training.html > >Has anybody come across this course? If so what are your thoughts > The current issue of Black Belt Magazine has an article about TFT. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Bruce Sims' summary comment on bowing Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:25:54 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i firmly agree that HKD should not be taught to kids...i have three and until they are more physically developed, i would never even consider letting them study HKD...in fact, my instructor has said that the youngest student that he would consider would be 16...and i must concur...a younglings body is not developed enough to handle the stresses of HKD training, or any training that can cause harm to any developing body part. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew swogger" To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Bruce Sims' summary comment on bowing > I thought Hapkido was not normally taught to children because it could > damage their joints which at still developing. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:49:38 -0500 From: "Edward Peters, III" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does having the title Master mean you will automatically win a fight over some 20 year old chodan? Master is something that others decide for you. So when you receive it would be up to the others you hang around. Would you want to be a master? Sorry if this comes off sort of cynical, that's me. I just think that the idea of ranks and titles does diservice to M.A. How many people have "earned" the title master and then not lived up to it. I guess I just love being a student. That's just me Edward Adam D. Huntley wrote: > Hi all! (Big Bow) > > We've been having a bit of a spirited conversation on another forum > about what and who a master is. At what point do we recieve such an > honor 4th dan - 5th Dan, 6th or 7th? The ATA (American Taekwondo > Association) which I was a part of until I reached my 4th Degree (Dan) > is promoting 35 masters this month, all 6th Degrees and have gone thru > some process that last, at least a year. I'm not saying that any one > of them do not deserve it. As a mater of fact I have trained with at > least one and I would say he has earned it. So, I would'nt want this > discussion to go negative about anyone or any org. Rather we all have > opinions on this subject, share. > > Adam D. Huntley > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jurgen lur Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Greeting the flag To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been teaching for almost 22 years. I'm a American and teaching TSD, But I will never bow to any other flag. We have the American flag and the Korean flag on uour Dojang, but I will never make any of my students bow to another flag. I have served in the Navy and don't make respect another flag. Shihan hj Klaas Barends wrote: > I just got a voice mail from a perspective student asking about if > we could > make an exception for them with regard to our custom of bowing to > the Korean > flag. We have the American and Korean flags hung next to each > other at the > front of the room with the American flag in the right hand (senior) > position. What is it they have problem with? The bow? Do they feel comfortable with bowing to the instructor?? A common way to greet the flag in Korea is by placing your right hand on your left chest (hearth). Maybe they do feel comfortable with that? But in that case everybody in class would have to greet like that to the flag. I wouldn't make exceptions for students, unless they have a physical condition. "If you don't like my philosophy, go find another teacher." -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:19:22 +0100 From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Striking in pure Aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tim wrote - "Pure aikido doesn't have any striking at all." According to Saito Morihiro in Traditional Aikido Vol 5 "Atemi accounts for 99% of Aikido was a remark once uttered by the founder. I introduced atemi at some length in Vol. 4. Atemi is virtually omitted in Aikido training on the ground that a preliminary blow should not become a matter of predominant concern. However, there are quite a few cases in which the meaning of a technique becomes incomprehensible if the attendant atemi is left out." Just for info John --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:49:36 -0400 From: "Kevin F. Donohue" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kukki-scam To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Which School Sid? If you don't want to say in "the Dojang"...email me and I will see what I can do to help. I am hoping that it is not a school that is affiliated with some of my Kwans activities. This kwan controls about 50% of the market in Queens. If it is one of ours I will fix with my Master in Korea. My master would flip out at such a dishonest activity. Thanks in advance. I can be e-mailed at kevindonohue@iwallc.com. Kevin F. Donohue -----Original Message----- From: Tkdsid@aol.com [mailto:Tkdsid@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:41 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukki-scam I have been informed by a former student that a school in Queens,NY accepted kukkiwon fees from 30 students over the last 3 years and never gave them their certificates. The totasl of that is $15,000! Does there appear that there will ever be an end to this garbage???? Sid _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:18:27 +0200 From: Hjalte Kiefer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kids everywhere Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It really depends on the instructor. I train a lot of little bitty kids. I believe the youngest are 7-8 years old. The problem with instructing those kids is, that they don't listen to what I ame trying to say to them. It's not allways fun. I guess what I am trying to say is, that it's to VERY different ways of instructing if you are training kids and if you are training adults. And an instructor might not like the way you need to train kids, and then it's perfectly fine, to say that you don't want to instruct them. In my oppinion! On 6/10/05, Ray wrote: > > > Bruce, I seem to recall that you do not accept children as students. If > > this is not true, then I apologize for a faulty memory. If it is true, > > however, then by refusing to take a prospective child student, wouldn't > you > > (or any instructor who refuses to teach children) be saying that it's > "the > > highway" for that child? > > And the problem with that is ??? There are lots of dojangs out there. > Most of them just full of little bitty kids. They can always go train > there. imho. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:46:46 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Striking in pure Aikido To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi John, In connection with this the quote you provided - Find a book with pictures of Usheiba doing techniques when he was younger and pay particular attention to the initial move of the technique and in particular the hand position of Usheiba. You might find a number of the techniques very interesting. (a magnifying glass is helpful) Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org >Tim wrote - >"Pure aikido doesn't have any striking at all." > >According to Saito Morihiro in Traditional Aikido Vol 5 >"Atemi accounts for 99% of Aikido was a remark once uttered by >the founder. I introduced atemi at some length in Vol. 4. >Atemi is virtually omitted in Aikido training on the ground >that a preliminary blow should not become a matter of >predominant concern. However, there are quite a few cases in >which the meaning of a technique becomes incomprehensible if >the attendant atemi is left out." > >Just for info >John --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing to flags Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Are people really bowing to the flags? I've only ever saluted the flags and bowed to the people (instructor, students, each other). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:01:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching hapkido to children Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Some hapkido dojang teach children, some do not. I was mentored by the late great Master Renee West (an outstanding hapkido player and hapkido teacher for those of all ages) on teaching hapkido children and did it for many years. I am fortunate now in that here in Fargo, I only teach hapkido to adults and do not have the headache of teaching children at this time... Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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