Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:31:15 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #246 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Andrew Evans....uniform issues (George Peters) 2. It's the highway for those kids! (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. RE: Kids everywhere (Jeff Yeagley) 4. Re: Striking in pure Aikido (Tim) 5. Bowing to flags (J R Hilland) 6. Striking in Aikido (john.a.mcintosh@bt.com) 7. Re: teaching hapkido to children (Patrick Williams) 8. Re: Bowing to flags (Ray) 9. Bowing to Flags (Master Mac) 10. Re: Teaching Hapkido to Kids (aburrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:15:44 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Andrew Evans....uniform issues Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, For size, I would contact Melinda at Chajonshim on the DD. I'm larger than most and in the past have greatly enjoyed the Pro-Force uniforms, and this company carries uniforms in larger sizes. In having problems with your trousers impeding your kicking, this usually occurs when the trousers slip down and this lowers the crotch of the trousers severely restricting movement. This is quite typical and frustrating, but easy to alleviate if one would wish to try a hint from one of the larger masters in our org. He uses suspenders on his trousers and they do not come down and restrict his movement. I have tried this myself and it works great and no one can see them. If anyone laughs in the locker room, get your laugh on the mat with your higher kicking ability. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:23:19 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] It's the highway for those kids! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff Yeagley wrote: Bruce, I seem to recall that you do not accept children as students. If this is not true, then I apologize for a faulty memory. If it is true, however, then by refusing to take a prospective child student, wouldn't you (or any instructor who refuses to teach children) be saying that it's "the highway" for that child? And, if this statement is true, then does an instructor who refuses to teach children lack imagination, or are they simply not up to your stated "challenge for the teacher"? My reply: Now Jeff, you should know better than to try to stir up Bruce! :) Let me just say that I taught kids for about 15 years, and that for a brief part of that I tried teaching them hapkido. It was my judgment that most of them are not ready for it, so I stopped. About half of them aren't ready for it mentally, meaning that they would play around with it too much, goof off, and someone would get hurt, OR that they would do it for a while, then stop and become less responsible and possibly use it to hurt others. No thanks. Physically, I don't think they are ready for the full art of hapkido until they are 16 at least. So I taught them t'aekwondo instead, which taught them strikes, control, strength, speed, fitness, and some good ideals. I wasn't perfectly happy with tkd either, since it put a lot of stress on knees, hips and lower back, but we planned exercises to reduce overuse as much as possible. And now I don't teach any kids at all, except for my own, and when I do that I do not teach them hapkido, but rather wrestling, sticky hands, and some t'aekwondo. And Ballroom dance, of course, which will probably do them the most good. :) Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:35:57 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Kids everywhere Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > And the problem with that is ??? There are lots of dojangs out there. > Most of them just full of little bitty kids. They can always go train > there. imho. Certainly there are other schools available for the students which some dojangs choose not to admit. But can those other schools teach with the same passion, commitment, and concern that I see expressed by the members of this forum? Would you send your child to one of those schools? Ultimately, an instructor has the right (in a legal or commercial sense) to teach whoever they want. But isn't there a moral imperative as instructors to give the very best of our abilities to all? I realize that a curriculum may not be suited to children but couldn't a modified curriculum be developed to transition a child, over time, to an adult curriculum? Don't we modify curriculums in other cases for individuals of varying abilities? Just one instructors very humble opinion. Kind regards, Jeff "climbing down off my soapbox now" Yeagley --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Striking in pure Aikido Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:37:49 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the info. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Striking in pure Aikido > Tim wrote - > "Pure aikido doesn't have any striking at all." > > According to Saito Morihiro in Traditional Aikido Vol 5 > "Atemi accounts for 99% of Aikido was a remark once uttered by the > founder. I > introduced atemi at some length in Vol. 4. Atemi is virtually omitted in > Aikido training on the ground that a preliminary blow should not become a > matter of predominant concern. However, there are quite a few cases in > which > the meaning of a technique becomes incomprehensible if the attendant atemi > is > left out." > > Just for info > John > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:43:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing to flags Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, that is the way I was taught and the only way I practice. Never even seen anyone outside of the Armed Forces and the Boy Scouts salute a flag, we also bow to a picture of hapkido founder, Choi Yong Sul. But, as hapkidoin, we don't start class as commonly done in taekwondo. It is all kneeling bows at the start and end of class. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:12:28 +0100 From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Striking in Aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rick wrote: "Find a book with pictures of Usheiba doing techniques when he was younger and pay particular attention to the initial move of the technique and in particular the hand position of Usheiba. You might find a number of the techniques very interesting. (a magnifying glass is helpful)" Thanks for the idea, it should prove helpful I'll see if I can find my Deerstalker and Inverness as well. "Hurry Watson, the game's afoot". Thanks John --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] teaching hapkido to children To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Question: I don't have a childrens class, but do get asked about teaching children. How do I rank them? I know that their bodies can't take the stress so do I teach them kicking, striking and basic self defense? No locks or throws or come alongs until age 15? Is this cheating the parent who is paying for the training? Yesterday I was asked to teach 3 young boys all below the age of nine. I told the parent no. Patrick Williams House of Ohshinsul-Arkansas Hapkido club J R Hilland wrote: Some hapkido dojang teach children, some do not. I was mentored by the late great Master Renee West (an outstanding hapkido player and hapkido teacher for those of all ages) on teaching hapkido children and did it for many years. I am fortunate now in that here in Fargo, I only teach hapkido to adults and do not have the headache of teaching children at this time... Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Bowing to flags To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Yes, that is the way I was taught and the only way I practice. Never even > seen anyone outside of the Armed Forces and the Boy Scouts salute a flag, we > also bow to a picture of hapkido founder, Choi Yong Sul. But, as hapkidoin, > we don't start class as commonly done in taekwondo. It is all kneeling bows > at the start and end of class. What this shows is there is no real standard in how things are done in different dojangs, for sure around the world and even around the country, regardless of style. The right arm across the chest salute was always used to open/close class in the various HKD or TKD dojangs I set foot into. Salute flags, bow to people. I witnessed the kneeling bow as a regular part of opening and closing of a KMA dojang, of any style, for the first time at GM West's school. e.g. I don't recall Gm Ji using the kneeling bow as a regular part of class. But I had seen the kneeling bow in the opening/closing of Aikido schools. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:14:39 -0500 From: Master Mac To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing to Flags Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Personally, I don't bow to flags or pictures - I salute the American Flag and bow to people. I used to bow to the flags like everyone else I knew because that's what I'd always seen and been taught to do in the dojang - until a Korean master saw us doing it one day and asked us why we did that - he said you "salute flags, bow to people". That made so much sense it was almost an epiphany, especially coming from a Korean. That was back in about '93, and I've only saluted flags ever since. Mac --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:39:17 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Teaching Hapkido to Kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Currently, the training program I teach at Gold's is for Adults only. However, I will start teaching Hapkido to Cosette in the near future. She is only 15 months old right now, so I have to wait a little. (she already likes playing with my canes, sticks, etc.) In Korea, kids start learning Hapkido at a young age. Some around 4 years old. Those that stick with it develop some incredible skills. I remember little kids that started that are now in their teens and are quite impressive. Those in their teens back then that are now in their 20s are very good. Each time I go back to Korea it is fun to see how some of the kids have grown, gotten better, etc. And there are always the new kids that you can watch and help grow. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest