Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:25:42 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #263 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Korean Martial Monks (Jye nigma) 2. master (Charles Richards) 3. Father's day pride (Charles Richards) 4. RE: RE: Governement Regulation of Martial Arts (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 5. Bagua answers (Jye nigma) 6. Re: teaching kids (aburrese@aol.com) 7. bagua answer2 (Jye nigma) 8. titles and other thoughts (J R Hilland) 9. video clip:acudo (Jye nigma) 10. GOV'T Regulation (rich hodder) 11. sunmudo (Jye nigma) 12. Re: video clip:acudo (Edward Peters, III) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com, csemt@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Martial Monks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Aight everyone, I wanted to share this video with you all so you can see how the Korean martial monks get down. Follow these easy instructions. go to this website: http://www.sunmudo.tv/ when the page is finished loading, look over towards the right. you'll see korean writting that are hyperlinks. Click the middle one that looks like this: 선무도동영상 it's the blue hyperlink in the middle.right above the monk doing a split kick. Watch the movie and enjoy! Jye --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:59:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] master Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kat and I have the same world view. Respect those who have earned it. Error on the side of respect when in doubt. I can think of several things I enjoy my wife calling me, but master is not one of them. The more I read this thread and interact with my teenagers, the more flattered I am with the tittle Coach. Yours in jung do, MC --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Father's day pride Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear list, This past Saturday I received the best father's day gift ever. Saja Nim Niko decided to go to a local sparring night with me. The Friday before he even asked me to help him practice. Let's just say he is developing his father's reverse punch :-) He finally is getting the concept of pivoting on the standing foot for round kicks. He was rather successfull at counterkicking the sweet spot at the lower corner of the hogu (kidney). He also gave a 6 year old red belt of similar weight a standing 8 count. Most important he got kicked on the thigh pretty hard, but after a little coaching and reasurance from dad he jumped back in and finished the match without anger. Courage, never to retreat in battle. If you're 44.9# or less look out :-). Saja Nim will compete next in the Georgia Games here in Atlanta on July 16, 2005. Way to go Saja Nim! Pil Sueng, MC --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Governement Regulation of Martial Arts Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:30:25 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> This is something I would like to chime in on. Watching and supporting your child during MA class. I've seen so many times parents drop off their children to MA class but do not remain to watch and see what they are learning. I my opinion they should watch so they can help their children practice at home. Granted if their parent does not practice MA they will not be able to demonstrate but they could at least tell them they are "missing" a move or "not bending their knees" typical stuff that the instructor is telling the student during class. Sadly most of the time they only come into class for testing or to complain about why their child isn't testing to the next level. Brian Woodard --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bagua answers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is an answer about bagua someone had here: "Most so-called Ba-Gua practitoners don't know how to fight with Ba-Gua. It's not an easy thing to do by no means. Ba-Gua fighting is circular and angular, and all strikes happen on a straight line according to the bodies alignment. Today, I don't care what style someone does, you can't tell the differance. They all seem to be doing kickboxing. This is because of a lack of truly studying and understanding the styles and their charecteristics as they should be applied. Next. The rules, with the exception of my tournament, Don't allow you to use Ba-Gua as it's supposed to be used, so your left with kickboxing as your only recourse. Peace Ben" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:51:19 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: teaching kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce wrote: Fact is, Alain, I can't find any information anywhere that says that Choi taught ANY kids. Can't find anything that says any of Chois' immediate students taught kids. Sure, we have people NOWADAYS that state that they teach Hapkido--- but what do they really teach? *************************************8 Based on this Bruce, I guess I should stop training in and teaching Hapkido. Tomorrow I will tell my students that they have not been learning Hapkido as I learned in Korea, but according to Bruce, I have been teaching them a martial art that I learned in Korea at a Hapkido Dojang from a Hapkido instructor who?s school was under the Korea Hapkido Federation that really is not Hapkido. And though I have dan rank from two Korean Hapkido organizations, I should be calling the art ?some art I learned in Korea at a Hapkido school from a Hapkido instructor under a Hapkido organization that really is not Hapkido because the instructors also taught kids.? Does that sum it up? I?m just wondering what Sabomnim Lee and Kwanjangnim Kim will say when I see them in September and tell them they do not know Hapkido and they are not teaching Hapkido. I?m not sure if Kwanjangnim has his 8th dan yet, but he had his 7th dan back in 97, but I have not asked him about when he got promoted, etc. He does not like to talk about that stuff very much and does not really care about rank and such, just about training and health. (he is a Qigong instructor and chiropractor as well as Hapkido instructor ? oh wait, what is he really teaching?) So I?ll tell him all these years of training and teaching and that high rank is not really Hapkido. Hmmm? Maybe I should go around to all the schools that say they are teaching Hapkido that have kids as students and tell them they do not know what they are doing. I?m sure an American going around telling the Korean that they are not really teaching Hapkido will go over nicely. Bruce, I agree with a lot of what you write, and I think we have similar values with a lot of things, but this statement, insinuating that my Hapkido instructors in Korea, and many other instructors in Korea, are not really teaching Hapkido ranks right up there with the American that told me my Korean wife and other Koreans were using the Korean language wrong. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] bagua answer2 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Peace Toby (Are they formulated to present specific > combat principles or are these movements only > performed for their martial function?) It's about the principles. Alot of the techniques wouldn't be done as in the forms especially today. It's about adapting to the situation. These forms require you to be aware of your whole body. Training this attribute allows you to adapt to anything that comes your way. lets take the classic armbar as an example: The average person caught in this has to give up because of the leverage issue. The coiling ever constant in the Cheng Style, allows you to hyperextend the shoulder allowing movement that your opponent can't check, thus you break the hold. Another example is that the reeling silk aspect teaches you how to strike effectivly from uncommen points on the body as well as striking while in contact with the opponent. In other words I need no distance between my hand(palm) and your body to deliver a crippling blow. ( I can see bits and pieces of martial usefullness, > but when it comes to real time, the whole movements > seem just too elaborate to use) \ Keep this in mind, Ba-Gua is a principle that was normaly taught after a person was already a proficient fighter. Check out some of the old masters curriculum, If you didn't already know some form of fighting, they taught some form of external martial art and only when you were proficient with that were you taught Ba-Gua. Ba-Gua is to be applied in conjuction with what you already know. Other than that, it's just to complicated. If you already have combat experiance, you can see to some degree what's going on, if you have none, you'll never see it. Also, Ba-Gua requires Imagination and with imagination you can make the appropriate modifications to a given technique. One of the biggest mistakes that I've observed over the years was individuals trying to apply a technique just like it's done in the forms. As for you form. I saw your clip. Your really not to bad at all. Novell told you right. You have to relax your waist more. An exercise for the waist is to just do the guard posture focusing on the waist. Don't walk just stand. The problem is it's going to kill your legs because you'll find that the more you twist, in order to keep your alignment, you'll have to put more weight on the back leg. and to get the full twist, it will be 100% back leg, but your root will be quite formetable. Hope that helps guy. Peace Ben --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:06:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] titles and other thoughts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is the way it was done in Texas when I was a child in the 50's and 60's. Before being a teen, I was often addressed by my Grandparents and their friends as Master Jere. When I became a teenager that stopped. And yes, if I ever called my parents friends by their first name I would have regained consciousness a few hours later if my father was nearby. But it was just not heard of and to this day I can't call my father's friends by their first name even though they have asked me to for decades. It just does not feel right. My first 3 teachers were Korean nationals who had a lot of trouble with American last names. So when they promoted someone to 5th dan they would call them Master Bob, until they learned how to pronounce their last name correctly. I remember explaining to one of them that in the south they would be referring to them as a child. So they took the time to learn the last name after that. Although it was sometimes entertaining when they tried. In the late 90's, Master West promoted me to 'Master' rank and my students call me Master Hilland although I prefer to be called Sabumnim, as I am more comfortable with that. But, a good teacher has to be a good student first. The title does not make me any less of a student; it does makes me more tentative as a teacher. For me, it is no big deal. Being called a 밠aster� in a martial art (starting at 5th dan in traditional hapkido) is nothing more than recognizing a level of proficiency in that art; it does not make you a master of anything else. Whether you are a 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th dan, you are still teaching white belts along with your other students and you are still a student yourself. We all have something to learn. Our goal is to promote our chosen art, not ourselves. Posturing and attitudes are pointless. I guess being a US Air Force brat gave me a different outlook for titles growing up. Like the fellow across the street from me is the local Pastor in our one church town, I don't even go to his church and he has asked me to call him Tim, but I can't, I call him Reverend (then last name), it is just a sign of respect. Nothing more. Just my thoughts and opinions.... Jere R. Hilland, hapkido 6th dan and student www.hapkidoselfdefense.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip:acudo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.acudo.com/video/6.mpg http://www.acudo.com/video/7.mpg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:20:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GOV'T Regulation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hear ye, hear ye, the Independent Oversight Council of the Greater and Lesser Houston Area Committee on the Regulation of Sports and Oriental Martial Arts and Competition Organizations, also known as IOCOTGALHACOTROSAOMAACO, for short, Invites member schools and organizations that are in good standing with the IOCOTGALHACOTROSAOMAACO (in other words you have paid your exorbitant dues and are in compliance with all rules and regulations regarding everything we can monitor including but not exclusive of anything we think you are doing, that is better than what we are doing, including the temperature of your rear in the chair you are occupying) to: The Second Annual Invitational Houston Texas Multi-County Statewide Regional Interstate National Continental International World Solar Systemic Galactic Universal Multi-Species Dimensionally Non-Specific Time Transcendent Championships of south east Texas. Winners will become Legends in their own minds!!!!!! This is where Government control would take Martial Arts as we know it. Can you say RED TAPE and a complete break down of morale and moral competence. The MA community needs to govern itself as it has always done, by making certain that we teach quality martial arts to our own students. If you have a problem with Supreme Great Ultimate Grand Master Ronald McDonald (which I do) let the quality of your students do the talking for you. You may never get rich this way but you will have the peace of mind knowing that you faithfully passed on your art to a new generation. Wow, way more than $.02 Rich --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] sunmudo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Aight everyone, I wanted to share this video with you all so you can see how the Korean martial monks get down. Follow these easy instructions. go to this website: http://www.sunmudo.tv/ when the page is finished loading, look over towards the right. you'll see korean writting that are hyperlinks. Click the middle one that looks like this: 선무도동영상 it's the blue hyperlink in the middle.right above the monk doing a split kick. Watch the movie and enjoy! Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:40:32 -0500 From: "Edward Peters, III" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip:acudo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Both are curious clips. One, why is it that the Yellow belt is demonstrating the technique. two, at the end of the second clip, why does he look at the camera before he has hit the target. Is it that he has so perfected the technique that he can strike without looking. Also why does the green belts arm stay totally straight thru the whole technique. Looks like training residue to me. What "style is this we are watching. Edward Jye nigma wrote: >http://www.acudo.com/video/6.mpg > >http://www.acudo.com/video/7.mpg > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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