Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:04:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #267 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sheesh!!!!! (Edward Peters, III) 2. Hapkido for kids in Korea (Klaas Barends) 3. ASLET 2006 (Ray) 4. RE: Bruce & Kids (Dana Yeagley) 5. re: Olympic Sports (Choe'sHapKiDoofMt.Vernon) 6. Re: Two Koreas to hold talks for taekwondo coalition (Jye nigma) 7. Teaching children and adults (James Allison) 8. Hapkido Kids (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 9. RE: re: Olympic Sports (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 10. Bowing (Lois Knorr) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:14:04 -0500 From: "Edward Peters, III" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sheesh!!!!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am rolling on the floor laughing, thank you. Cause I am picturing that scene. * ray wrings his hands in a dastardly manner * Too cool, thank you. tim walker wrote: > I keep telling you guys...there is no Bruce. It's just Ray Terry > trying to stir you up! > > < > Wow, I usually try and stay out of your crazy talk but man oh man. > Your arrogance is astounding to me at times.>> > > timo > "Primum non nocere" _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Klaas Barends Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:44:50 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido for kids in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There are hapkido schools in Korea that teach kids....... but..... what the teachers teach the children, is not something the average hapkido practioner in the west would refer to as hapkido. Up until at least 1st dan, the kids get to practice a lot of basics. Falling, kicking, strikes, as few joint locks maybe and that is about it. Maybe we should turn it around. What we learn in the west isn't hapkido. When you practice at a decent school in the west, it takes you about 4 to 5 years to reach 1st dan level. And by the time you are a black belt, you are usually far beyond the basics. You know a couple of hundred techniques. (maybe even over a thousand) What is it in the traditional hapkido style? More than 30 defenses against cross wrist grab About the same number for parallel wrist grab. Double grabs, rear grabs, hugs, counter yudo throws....etc.etc. Defense against strikes Defense against kicks. A black belt exam can take more than a day, when your instructor wants you to show everything from white belt up... I haven't been to a school in Korea yet where they have to master the same amount of techniques as in a traditional hapkido school in the west. Usually it takes the kids about 18 to 24 months to get their 1st dan (at financially sound gym you can get it in half the time) At a good gym the kids learn a great deal of kicks, strikes and falling techniques for their black belt. As well as some hoshinsul. In the others gyms the kids spend 50% of their time playing basketball, soccer and other non-martial arts related games. Do we expect to much from a black belt??? -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 05:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] ASLET 2006 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net PLAN TO ATTEND THE ASLET 2006 ANNUAL CONFERENCE January 16-21, 2006, in Albuquerque, NM Held in the beautiful city of Albuquerque at the modern Albuquerque Convention Center, ASLET 2006 is where you need to be! World-Class Training! Train with the best of the best, with more than 100 sessions to choose from - all presented by the world's foremost Law Enforcement trainers. Law Enforcement Exposition! Visit the more than 200 exhibits showcasing state-or-the-art products and services for the Law Enforcement industry. Excellent Travel Logistics! Air Travel: The main gateway into New Mexico, Albuquerque's Sunport Airport is relatively small and very manageable. It's serviced nationally by Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and America West. ASLET has made special arrangements with American Airlines for conference travel. Participants should mention Code #A2616AE for a 5% discount on discountable fares. Lodging: Conference attendees have a choice for 2006 of three different properties. The Doubletree Hotel is conveniently attached to the Albuquerque Convention center. Also available is the Hyatt Regency Albuquerque and the La Posada de Albuquerque - all at a specially-negotiated rate of $89 per night for conference attendees. Please be sure to mention you will be attending the ASLET Conference! * Doubletree Hotel: 505-247-3344, http://www.doubletreealbuquerque.com * Hyatt Regency Albuquerque: 505-842-1234, http://www.albuquerquehyatt.com * La Posada de Albuquerque: 800-777-5732, http://www.laposada-abq.com Rental Cars: ASLET has made special arrangements with Avis Rent A Car for discounted fares on rental cars. Participants should use discount code B805899 when making rental car arrangements. EARLY BIRD DISCOUNT FOR 2006 CONFERENCE UNTIL JULY 20, 2005 - $250 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Dana Yeagley" To: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:02:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Bruce & Kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It seems maybe Bruce had some bad experiences with kids, or as a kid, or maybe doesn't know how to teach to kids. This is not meant to be a slam. It definately takes a certain type of person to teach children. Personally, I wouldn't take my kids to just anyone for martial arts training, soccer, or any other sport. There are alot of people who do not have the right temperment (I suspect Bruce may be one of them) for children. BUT, that does not mean that those that DO teach children martial arts, whether it be Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do, or whatever are NOT teaching them the TRUE art, but only BABYSITTING, and that they are only doing so because "there is gold in them toddlers" I invite Bruce to come to any of our Kid Kicks classes (4 - 6 yr olds) and watch them workout. They do their techniques stepping up and down the floor. They have stances, sometimes better than the adults do. We encourage them to have that front knee bent at a 90 degree angle in their front stance "like a table". They chamber their turning kicks "over the chair" not slicing them up at an angle. Now, they are not perfect. Some will mess around, some are wiggly. Those kids are dealt with, they will do push ups (if they are able to do real push ups), they are sent to the wall to "sit on the chair" (putting your back on the wall with your knees bent at a 90 degree angle as if you are sitting down), or WORSE- they have to sit out of a game! Our parents see the benefits of the program so they don't try to tell us what we can/can't do. We take time and talk to them before/after class, we give the kids a minute or two before we start class to tell us what's going on with them. I guess what I'm trying to say Bruce is WE CARE. These kids are OUR future, YOUR future. They will be the ones deciding things for you when you are old and gray, deciding things for the next generations. Yes, there are some who are trouble week after week and I would like to occasionally choke. Yes, there are some whose parents do just drop them off and expect us to preform a miracle, but I know that they are the ones that need THIS the most. I think what my husband JEFF, who started this whole mess, was trying to say, was shouldn't WE, the very people, who have so much to give, GIVE it to those (excluding noone) who could benefit so much. In His Holy Name, Dana http://www.WeTrainHarder.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/24 - Release Date: 6/21/2005 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:23:12 -0400 From: Choe's Hap Ki Do of Mt. Vernon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Olympic Sports Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Its great to see Rugby making headway. I've always wondered why it hasn't gained a foothold in the american audience. Its a great sport. Unfortunately, after the last broken bone (was that my nose, or collar bone? hmmmm...) I decided it was taking too much of a toll on my body. Still, its my second great love after Hap Ki Do! > Baseball, softball and the modern pentathlon have been officially cited > as Olympic sports most likely to be excluded while golf, rugby and > karate have been fiercely endeavoring to be listed on the 2012 Olympic > program. BongSoo --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude/F-Prot AV] --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Two Koreas to hold talks for taekwondo coalition To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net itf merge with wtf....good or bad? Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "James Allison" To: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:17:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching children and adults Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've really enjoyed the post on who you can and can not learn Hapkido. What is interesting is just because one person or another chooses not to teach kids doesn't mean it can't be done. Recently during our bi annual Dan testing our youngest person on the mat was 13 years old testing for 2nd Dan. He had to perform all the same techniques with the same proficiency as the adults testing. This same young man has for the last three years attend every one of our seminars with Do Ju Ji Han Jae and survived the two day 8 hour each day training sessions. Last year even got a private lesson from Do Ju Ji. This is not an exception at my school it is normal. It is not what you teach but how you teach it. I read a commit that Hapkido is to hard on younger students. It must just be me but I would love to have my younger body back. Younger students can take far more abuse than older ones. I'm lucky. I started my Hapkido training when I was ten. It is all that I know. If you start a student out young enough and he stays with it they will be able to carry the art on to the next generation. Because if you are not looking for your replacement to take over when you are to Old to teach you are killing the art. I know that some of you out there in Hapkido land may only teach adults. What is your age limit? What is the oldest you will accept students? And, how many days or nights of the week do you offer classes. And last but not least have you fully committed yourself to teaching Hapkido full time or are you still holding on to the concept that you are doing it for the "Love" not the money. Remember Hapkido is bigger than all of us. It's not what Hapkido can do for you but what we can do for Hapkido. So, set a good example for your students regardless of how old they are. Respectfully yours in Hapkido, James Allison www.hapkido-america.com P.S. I also teach old folks! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:51:28 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alain wrote: >I have a feeling if I told my instructors, or many others in Korea, that they could not teach Hapkido to kids I would get laughed at. Sure, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't tell my instructors what to do either, but we also have to remember that it is a different culture. I remember one of my Korean instructors teaching self-defense, and each of his techniques ended with "and now we kill him." When I mentioned that in the U.S. one might go to jail for teaching this, he was honestly surprised. So there may be some OTHER cultural differences there. :) Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] re: Olympic Sports Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:37:46 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good to see that someone else on the list is a Rugby fan. they are warriors on the sports field. I would advise any one fit enough to take part. keep an eye out for the British Lions against the All Black. RULDS2 Peter -----Original Message----- From: Choe's Hap Ki Do of Mt. Vernon [mailto:mtvernon@choeshapkido.com] Sent: 23 June 2005 12:23 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Olympic Sports Its great to see Rugby making headway. I've always wondered why it hasn't gained a foothold in the american audience. Its a great sport. Unfortunately, after the last broken bone (was that my nose, or collar bone? hmmmm...) I decided it was taking too much of a toll on my body. Still, its my second great love after Hap Ki Do! > Baseball, softball and the modern pentathlon have been officially cited > as Olympic sports most likely to be excluded while golf, rugby and > karate have been fiercely endeavoring to be listed on the 2012 Olympic > program. BongSoo --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude/F-Prot AV] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Lois Knorr To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gladewater SooBahkDo said, “...Although we are both equal as humans he is my senior, and my instructor and I will show him that respect In or out of uniform. In or out of the Do-Jang...” My preference is to bow to any martial artist senior to me, regardless of their clothing or where I encounter them; and to address all seniors by their martial art title. However, it is because I respect my seniors that I comply with their wishes in the matter of bowing (or not bowing) and how to address them. Lois __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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