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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Bowing (t carter) 2. Re: cardio kick boxing (Tony McDonald) 3. Re: Cardio Kick Boxing (Tony McDonald) 4. Bowing (George Peters) 5. McDojang (J R Hilland) 6. teaching Kids / no Bruce (Eric Hotmail) 7. RE: Hapkido in Japan (Kevin F. Donohue) 8. Re: cardio kick boxing (Patrick Williams) 9. Martial Art and Sport (Richard Tomlinson) 10. WTF/ITF (Richard Tomlinson) 11. RE: McDojang (b macdonald) 12. Re: McDojang (jakskru) 13. long clip of various demonstrations (A. Boyd) 14. Re: McDojang (Ray) 15. Happy B-Day to us (Ray) 16. Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: t carter To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been watching the discussion on bowing and would like info on handling my particular problem. I will bow to my instructor on the dojang floor, because I respect the martial arts knowledge he has; however, there is nothing about his moral and ethical and spiritual demeanor that I either respect or admire. This man simply has none of the qualities of decency and honesty that ellicit a bow response. My dilema is that this is my only source of martial arts teaching right now (1 horse town), so at what point do you give up potential training to avoid showing respect outside the dojang. This person is a well respected individual in the martial arts community but seminars only highlight the martial arts aspect of life not the day to day unethical behaviour I have been witness to. Having a difficult time wrapping my head around this one. Mike __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Tony McDonald" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] cardio kick boxing Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:54:43 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Hi >Just one thing WHY would anybody start cardio kick boxing? >Darren Its an easy job that I can teach, the name's mostly for show but its like tae bo but I plan to actually teach techniques instead of random punching and kicking --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Tony McDonald" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cardio Kick Boxing Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:58:39 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Im about to start teaching Cardio Kick Boxing a my local YMCA, does anyone > have advice to teaching techniques, or music to play during classes? >I hate to be such a Bruce... but why are you just thinking of this now? >You're about to start teaching something that you know nothing about??? >I realize that programs such as this can be big $$makers for McDojangs, >but we shouldn't be teaching things were aren't already very familiar with. >Ray Terry I have plenty of expirence, but apparently the *ideal* type of music is something with a beat of 167, and although I already have a track picked out I was just wondering if anyone has any input about music to kick n' punch to p.s. it's a ymca program, I wouldn't make an entire Do-jang devoted to something that so closely resembles taebo with random kicking and punching, I plan to actually teach techniques but give more of a workout ~Tony --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:29:52 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Esteemed membership, In our org, we are supposed to bow when we see each other no matter where we are or the clothing we wear. I bow to any member I recognize no matter of rank of location, If it is a senior, all well and good, if I would catch a junior unawares(does not recognize me out of uniform) I still bow as an example for them.(a little humility never hurt anyone). Proper etiquette should always be adhered to. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:37:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] McDojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas posted about many current dojang in Korea where one can obtain a dan in a short period of time. Sadly, it is also true that in most countries, including Korea and the US, one can buy a dan rank just as any other commodity. But, it is also true that there are dojang in Korea and the US where time in rank, technique, theories of motion, a strong command of the art, etc. are prerequisite for dan rank. I, as many here, have turned down dan rank that was not earned, for various reasons. Just because you have the paper, doesn't automatically make your technique better or give you a understanding of what takes years to learn. To quote one of my teacher favorite sayings: "Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, but rather by the distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!” Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Eric Hotmail" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:37:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching Kids / no Bruce Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From up here in the northeastern part of Illinois it is known that if you "don't like kids" you don't or can't teach kids and that could be part of the problem for at least one Martial Artist in the area. FWIW Eric Deveau resuming lurk mode --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:43:18 -0400 From: "Kevin F. Donohue" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Japan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, You are correct, I did not realize that Master Bae's name was in the info I cut and pasted. Master Gimm June is the KHF Planning Director and John Johnson is assisting him. I believe that either can be reached at the office numbers listed. Kevin Donohue -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:22 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Japan > Try to contact the KHF at the Seoul Headquarters for the info you are > seeking: > > Korea Hapkido Federation > Attn: Bae Sung Book - Director > 18-11 Rung-Dong > Kwangjin-Ku > Seoul 143-180 > South Korea > Tel : 82-2-3437-3430 > Fax : 82-2-456-0953 fwiw, I don't think Master Bae is that involved with KHF operations these days. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] cardio kick boxing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cardio kick boxing has been around for years. The Taebo that has made millions was a basic warm when I started studying hapkido. Kicks, hundreds of them, with combinations and strikes. Someone found a way to get the publics interest. Tony McDonald wrote:>Hi >Just one thing WHY would anybody start cardio kick boxing? >Darren Its an easy job that I can teach, the name's mostly for show but its like tae bo but I plan to actually teach techniques instead of random punching and kicking _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:39:24 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Art and Sport Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just like to throw this one out to all, as I know as in the past there will be excellent responses! My Grand Master at the recent pre - black belt test asked, "What is the difference between Martial Art and sport?" The student gave an excellent response, but I'll hold back to see what ya'll say! Thanks!! The Digest is my favorite daily reading and I've learned much! Bows,sandy. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:50:13 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF/ITF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I heard a rumor of completely new forms...... --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "b macdonald" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] McDojang Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:12:09 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I know what you meen about having to be at a dojang where the head instrutor has lost what martial arts is about and it has become all about the money to him. It is hard because there are other dojangs in town but none them offer as many classes as mine and the my instrutor is wonderful, he is a true martial artist and does for the right reasons. Not to mention I am stuck in a 3 year contract so I couldn't get out of it anyways. It is upsetting that the owner has become the way has because it makes it very hard to talk to people who have interest in the dojang and would like to know more about it. I would never want to speak negitivly about my dojang but I also do not wish to mis lead any one about it either. It is too bad that this sort of thing happens in the Martial Arts world. It is hard for me to relate to someone who has forgotten what the art is all about because that is just something that I could never forget! B.Macdonald >From: "J R Hilland" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] McDojang >Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:37:10 -0500 > >Klaas posted about many current dojang in Korea where one can obtain a dan >in a short period of time. Sadly, it is also true that in most countries, >including Korea and the US, one can buy a dan rank just as any other >commodity. But, it is also true that there are dojang in Korea and the US >where time in rank, technique, theories of motion, a strong command of the >art, etc. are prerequisite for dan rank. I, as many here, have turned down >dan rank that was not earned, for various reasons. Just because you have >the >paper, doesn't automatically make your technique better or give you a >understanding of what takes years to learn. To quote one of my teacher >favorite sayings: "Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, >but rather by the distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!” > >Jere R. Hilland >www.rrhapkido.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] McDojang Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:22:18 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net buying rank is something that just seriously is beyond my acceptance or understanding...what the heck is a piece of paper mean in a real self defense situation? ( unless you know how to use it as a weapon!) i just cant fathom the why of doing it...and i never will... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J R Hilland" To: Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:37 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] McDojang > Klaas posted about many current dojang in Korea where one can obtain a dan > in a short period of time. Sadly, it is also true that in most countries, > including Korea and the US, one can buy a dan rank just as any other > commodity. But, it is also true that there are dojang in Korea and the US > where time in rank, technique, theories of motion, a strong command of the > art, etc. are prerequisite for dan rank. I, as many here, have turned down > dan rank that was not earned, for various reasons. Just because you have the > paper, doesn't automatically make your technique better or give you a > understanding of what takes years to learn. To quote one of my teacher > favorite sayings: "Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, > but rather by the distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!" > > Jere R. Hilland > www.rrhapkido.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] long clip of various demonstrations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't think this clip made the rounds of the Dojang Digest. Apologies if it has. mms://chosun.lgcdn.com/chosun/Entertainment/LiveShop/mediachosun/2005/06/050620_special_merit-500k.wmv Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher hdgdforum.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] McDojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > buying rank is something that just seriously is beyond my acceptance or > understanding...what the heck is a piece of paper mean in a real self > defense situation? ( unless you know how to use it as a weapon!) i just cant > fathom the why of doing it...and i never will... You always have those like "Gm P" that need/want to buy high Dan rank as it makes them -seem- more legit as head of an organization. I suspect that has always occurred, and no doubt always will. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy B-Day to us Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Birthday to us! The_Dojang is 11 years old. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning JoongAng Daily June 27, 2005 - Leaders of Korea's taekwondo community believe the sport is in danger of being eliminated from the Olympics in a vote next week by the International Olympic Committee, and are lobbying to make sure it doesn't get the ax. On July 8, the 116-member committee will vote by secret electronic ballot on whether to retain each of the 28 sports in the summer Olympics. Each must receive 58 votes to be retained. Though the Korean martial art became an Olympic exhibition sport in 1988, it has only been a full-fledged official sport since 2000, and it is feared that its short history could put it at a disadvantage. The World Taekwondo Federation has said it is "far from safe" from elimination. After last year's Athens Games, the committee decided to retire less popular sports from the roster; IOC president Jacques Logge has called for a leaner Olympics. In 2002, the committee voted to cap the number of sports in the summer Olympics at the current 28, meaning new ones can only be introduced if existing ones are retired. If all 28 sports survive next week's vote, no new ones will be introduced. If one or more are eliminated, the members will go on to vote on candidates for inclusion in the 2012 Olympics. Baseball, softball and the pentathlon were on a "priority review" list for possible elimination, but after strong protests from the associations of those sports, the committee backed down and decided to put all Olympic sports up for review. Rhythmic gymnastics and synchronized swimming were also targets of scrutiny, but because they belong to the gymnastics and swimming categories, they are seen as unlikely to be eliminated. The last sport retired from the Olympics was polo, in 1936. Earlier this month, Sports.com, an influential sports Web site, named seven sports as being in particular danger of elimination, based on a report by the International Olympic Committee Program Commission. They were baseball, softball, the pentathlon, volleyball, cycling, soccer and archery. The report was based on a "self-evaluation" survey sent to the world federations of 33 sports in November 2004; it took into account television broadcast revenue, sponsorships and the number of paying spectators. Though taekwondo was not one of the seven sports judged to be in the most danger, the report noted that television ratings were low for taekwondo events in the Athens Games, and that comparatively little was written about the sport. The report also mentioned the persistent accusations of judging bias in favor of Korean athletes that have dogged taekwondo for years. In 2001, to name one instance, Turkish athletes staged a public protest in Jeju against judgements at the World Taekwondo Championships. Sports Illustrated says the bribery scandals involving Kim Un-yong, formerly vice chairman of the International Olympic Committee and World Taekwondo Federation chief, have also tainted the reputation of the sport and the federation. Choue Chung-won, the current head of the World Taekwondo Federation, has been sending letters to International Olympic Committee members and lobbying officials in person; he has traveled to four European countries, meeting with eight committee members in a 10-day period. In the last year, he has traveled to 20 countries. A federation official said he is explaining the reforms that have taken place within the federation in the past year, to dispel doubts about its integrity. Kim Jung-kil, president of the Korea Sports Council and the Korean Olympic Committee, is also hitting the pavement. Since June 11, he has visited China and North and South America. He hopes to keep taekwondo in the Olympics by strengthening individual countries' sports councils. "There is a limit to what the federation can do publicly," one World Taekwondo Federation official said. "We need active support from the business community and the Korean people." by Sung Baik-you, Kang Hye-ran --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest