Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:40:41 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #271 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Bowing (J R Hilland) 2. McDojang (J R Hilland) 3. Happy B-Day DD (J R Hilland) 4. re:(2) bowing (Jon Payne) 5. Re: McDojang (Jon Payne) 6. Re: Martial Art and Sport (Dwight Wallace) 7. RE: cardio kick boxing (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 8. Kim to be paroled (Ray) 9. Re: McDojang (Ray) 10. Re: Martial Art and Sport (Neil Burton) 11. Re: Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning (Jye nigma) 12. Re: Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning (Jay O'Connor) 13. re:bowing (Kevin Janisse) 14. Re: Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning (Jye nigma) 15. RE: Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:27:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have met our Canadian friend in Jackson and I think her attitude is contagious. But then again, many of us do not appear to have the problems you do as we do not go to events or places where we will see things like what you mention. More could learn from her... J R Hilland www.rrhapkido.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:43:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] McDojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yet, unfortunately it happens everyday. I am sure I have mentioned this before, but I used to keep a 3 ring binder that was full of letters from those wanting to sell or give me rank that I did not earn. When it got full I finally just tossed it in the mid 90's. I never responded to any of them except for a polite 'no' if they persisted... I remember one group in the early 90's who said that they would finance the payment to transfer my rank to their organization and then test me for the next dan. Unbelievable. Then you have those instructors and organization in Asia and America who hand out dan rank like candy at seminars. That one I have yet to understand. I have never belonged to more than one organization at any given moment in time and only because my teacher is associated with that organization. J R Hilland www.rrhapkido.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:49:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy B-Day DD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations Ray! Great job! J R Hilland www.rrhapkido.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jon Payne" To: "The_Dojang" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:16:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] re:(2) bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>I bow to any member I recognize no matter of rank of location, If it is a senior, all well and good, if I would catch a junior unawares(does not recognize me out of uniform) I still bow as an example for them.(a little humility never hurt anyone). >> While a sincere gesture, bowing for me, is left to the dojang. It is not part of my culture and or customs as an American bred southern caucasian male. If I see someone from the dojang, I address them as Mr., Mrs., Ms. etc and offer a handshake in public forums. The fact that I train in the warrior arts is for me and not something I wish to display for publicity. I show any senior respect whether they train as I do or not. The problem with today's young people and or their parents is a lack of respect for themselves and others. Jon David Payne student --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jon Payne" To: "The_Dojang" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] McDojang Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:36:20 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>You always have those like "Gm P" that need/want to buy high Dan rank as >>it makes them -seem- more legit as head of an organization. I suspect that >>has always occurred, and no doubt always will. Ray Terry>> Master Terry, Have no doubt that I respect you as the list admin and a senior to me in Korean MA. I make no excuse for whatever tactics "GM P" may have used to gain his position in that org. I am no longer a member of that org for my own reasons. I will tell you that techniques I learned in Combat Hapkido have saved my skin on more than one occasion as a USAF SP and Texas Peace Officer. What makes a teacher legit? The number of certificates or the value of good technique? I have never seen "GM P" in person, so I have no comment on his execution of techniques, but the ones I was taught by my senior were from his curriculum. There are few people on this list that have more "combat experience" than I, namely GM West and Master Alain Burrese. If I left anyone out, my deepest apologies. Any thoughts sir? Respectfully, Jon David Payne --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 04:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Wallace Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Art and Sport To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sport is for competition to improve upon your skills.Martial art is for your susrvival to satay alive and in operating order. Dwight Richard Tomlinson wrote:Just like to throw this one out to all, as I know as in the past there will be excellent responses! My Grand Master at the recent pre - black belt test asked, "What is the difference between Martial Art and sport?" The student gave an excellent response, but I'll hold back to see what ya'll say! Thanks!! The Digest is my favorite daily reading and I've learned much! Bows,sandy. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] cardio kick boxing Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:38:02 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Money Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Darren and Elaine [mailto:aqzz84@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:07 AM To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] cardio kick boxing Hi Just one thing WHY would anybody start cardio kick boxing? Darren _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kim to be paroled Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Former IOC vice-president Kim to be paroled - ministry Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:00 AM BST SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea will parole former International Olympic Committee (IOC) vice-president Kim Un-yong this week, a year after he was found guilty of corruption, a Justice Ministry spokesman said on Monday. Long one of the most powerful figures in the Olympic movement, Kim was sentenced last June to 2-12 years in prison for embezzling some 3.3 billion won (1.8 million pounds) and accepting 788 million won in kickbacks while serving as the head of international sports organisations. The sentence was later reduced to two years on appeal. "The decision on parole was based on a thorough review of the case, taking into consideration factors such as age and health," the spokesman said by telephone. He said Kim, 74, would be paroled on June 30 because of health and other concerns. Kim will have about 10 months of his sentence remaining at the time of his parole. Kim resigned his post at the IOC in May in the face of an expulsion vote slated for July. The IOC's decision-making executive board agreed this year with an ethics commission report that Kim had "seriously tarnished the reputation of the Olympic movement". Kim has always denied the charges against him. At one time considered a candidate to run the IOC, Kim was arrested while in hospital on charges connected with his leadership of the South Korean National Olympic Committee and the World Taekwondo Federation. When he was sentenced, his lawyer said his actions and business conduct were rooted in South Korea's dictatorship period of the 1970s and 1980s and it was unfair to judge him by present-day values. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] McDojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... I have never seen "GM P" in person, so I have no > comment on his execution of techniques, but the ones I was taught by my > senior were from his curriculum. There are few people on this list that > have more "combat experience" than I, namely GM West and Master Alain > Burrese. If I left anyone out, my deepest apologies. Any thoughts sir? I am not surprised. And it is wonderful to hear that what you learned saved your bacon. Gm P's system teaches techniques that can be very useful for self-defense. The same can be said for sport taekwondo, football, wrestling, etc. All teach things that can come in very handy for when the feces hits the oscillator. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Burton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Art and Sport To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sport is competitive whilst the martial arts are a way of life --- Dwight Wallace wrote: > Sport is for competition to improve upon your > skills.Martial art is for your susrvival to satay > alive and in operating order. > Dwight > > Richard Tomlinson wrote:Just > like to throw this one out to all, as I know as in > the past there will be > excellent responses! My Grand Master at the recent > pre - black belt test > asked, "What is the difference between Martial Art > and sport?" The student > gave an excellent response, but I'll hold back to > see what ya'll say! Thanks!! > The Digest is my favorite daily reading and I've > learned much! Bows,sandy. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > Football > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ok if TKD is no longer in the Olympics, what do you think will happen next for TKD, olympic style at least? Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:12:25 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote: > ok if TKD is no longer in the Olympics, what do you think will happen next for TKD, olympic style at least? Well, it probably won't be called 'olympic style' anymore :) Seriously, though, sometimes I think if TKD is not in the Olympics then maybe it'll help the sport refocus more on being a fighting martial art and not a sport. Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:07:24 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] re:bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Mike, It is unfortunate that you have to be in this situation. My advice to you is to make the best of it. Too many people put M.A. teachers in a position higher than reality. We are all human which means fallen and messed up (yes, ALL of us). Learn what you can from him, discard the rest. I have seen many people change their lifestyles and turn from rotten to decent so there might still be time for him to be a true mentor. When you bow, you do not have to respect his lifestyle, only the knowledge you would like to gain from him. The best thing you can do is to be an example to others you desire a teacher to be. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As it stands it is one of the most popular martial arts, I wonder if it will lose popularity if it's not in the games anymore. Maybe the dynamics of the art will change into a more full contact deal. Jye Jay O'Connor wrote: Well, it probably won't be called 'olympic style' anymore :) Seriously, though, sometimes I think if TKD is not in the Olympics then maybe it'll help the sport refocus more on being a fighting martial art and not a sport. Take care, Jay _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football --__--__-- Message: 15 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:25:29 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I second that opinion!! However it certainly is fun to watch!! Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Jay O'Connor [mailto:joconnor@cybermesa.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:12 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo faces Olympic reckoning Jye nigma wrote: > ok if TKD is no longer in the Olympics, what do you think will happen next for TKD, olympic style at least? Well, it probably won't be called 'olympic style' anymore :) Seriously, though, sometimes I think if TKD is not in the Olympics then maybe it'll help the sport refocus more on being a fighting martial art and not a sport. Take care, Jay _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest