Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:04:07 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #274 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: a different question about reffering to people. (Andrew Evans) 2. Funny clip (Jye nigma) 3. Taekwondo fights for life at IOC vote (Ray) 4. Re: Difference between martial art and sport... (Erik Kluzek) 5. Re: Korean Sword form. Kum Sul (Patrick Williams) 6. hate to be such a Bruce (Don Kirsch) 7. Keep pushing (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:13:12 -0400 From: "Andrew Evans" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] a different question about reffering to people. To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What about people outside the martial arts? People master plenty of other skills, and invest just as much of themselves in attaining that mastery as martial artists do in attaining theirs. I think this is why context matters. When in a martial arts setting, it makes perfect sense to bow, use titles, etc. as appropriate. I don't see the point some people have made about holding strictly to this when far outside the martial arts context however. At the corner sports bar, should we not then also bow to the Master Accountant, the Knitting Master Instructor, and the Architecture Grandmaster? I have spent the last 30 years training in the art of computer programming. I bet that's worth at least a 5th Dan at the sports bar! What if I pass GM West while heading to the bar to order another round, and fail to recognize him in street clothes and bow? Have I committed a terrible gaffe (other than failing to buy him a beer of course)? How would he know anyway, since I will be in street clothes as well, and probably not wearing my lowly colored belt? We are outside of the proper context for that kind of interchange. I still hold great respect for my seniors in the martial arts, in any context. I think we would both feel a little weird however if I were to walk up to them and start bowing at the mall, or introduce my instructor as SaBumNim at a cocktail party. Perhaps one of the many reasons I respect the seniors in my current organization is that it would not occur to them to expect such things. I think I have somehow committed to buying GM West a beer though - how did that happen? :) (Sir, next time you are in WV, I will gladly pay on demand...) Cheers, Andy -----Original Message----- From: Edward Peters, III [mailto:ep3@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:49 PM To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] a different question about reffering to people. Also what about people from other arts? Does a Sifu (SP) outrank a Sabumnim or a Sensi? I think I am just going to start calling everyone "Your Majesty" Just still thinking about this stuff. Edward _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com, csemt@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Funny clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://media2.big-boys.com/bbfilez/kungfufighter.wmv --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo fights for life at IOC vote Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo fights for life at IOC vote Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:43 AM BST By Jon Herskovitz SEOUL (Reuters) - The high-kicking martial art taekwondo may lose its place in the international spotlight if it is it given the boot from the Olympics. Taekwondo, baseball, softball and modern pentathlon are considered the sports most threatened with elimination from the Olympics in 2012 when the International Olympic Committee has a meeting in July in Singapore. The president of the World Taekwondo Federation said he has mounted a big international campaign to win supporters for the martial art, while reforming the sport to make its judging easier to understand and its action more viewer friendly. "It was time for us to change," Choue Chung-won told foreign correspondents on Tuesday. "Our main goal has been transparency for our sport." Choue is looking to introduce electronics into the protectors taekwondo athletes wear during matches, which will indicate when they have been struck by a blow. This is aimed at clearing up questions of judging. More points will be given for athletes who can deliver effective blows through difficult techniques. The time of the match has been shortened and the area of competition decreased in the hopes of increasing action. Working against Taekwondo are the lack of media attention it received in the Athens Games in 2004 compared to other sports and its low television ratings. There have been charges of judging bias and the sport has also been tainted by its link to Kim Un-yong, a former top Taekwondo officials and former IOC vice president who was sentenced to jail after being found guilty of corruption. "This is a dynamic sport, and along with judo, represents in the Olympics the sports of Asia -- the most populous region in the world," Choue said. The IOC will hold a sport-by-sport secret ballot to determine which among its 28 sports it may eliminate to cut down on the size of the Summer Olympics, while increasing global interest for the games. A sport that does not receive 50 percent support from the expected 115 IOC members will be voted out. If a sport is voted out, there are five sports -- golf, karate, roller sports, seven-a-side rugby and squash -- on an official waiting list as possible replacements. Taekwondo became an official Olympic sport at the 2000 Sydney Olympics. It gives out a total of eight gold medals -- four for men and four for women. Choue said the numbers for taekwondo are impressive with about 60 million participants around the globe. The most important number for him will be the vote tally in Singapore. "I am confident we will remain an Olympic sport," he said. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:00:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Erik Kluzek To: The Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Difference between martial art and sport... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Everyone The question on what is the difference between martial art and sport came up. I wrote an answer to that qustion some time ago that appears on my old web-site at... http://www.usu.edu/taekwond/diff.html The whole article is a bit too long to give here, but there's a quote that I use, that gives a nice pithy statement to explain the difference... "A Karate class is not a stage upon which the superior talent emerges and is dramitized. The Karate class is a community of mutual responsibility where the weakest are strengthened, not where the strongest are glorified. The sensei creates within the class the commitment to cooperation and responsibility, and in this atmosphere is the greatest learning made possible" Sadaharu Kurobane (A Wado Kai Sensei in Denver) The part about "stage upon which the superior talent emerges" is refering to sports, the second part refers to martial arts. Erik Kluzek Longmont CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Korean Sword form. Kum Sul To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I study sword and find that videos are great if you already have a basic knowledge of how to properly use them. Seek out an instructor who can show how to properly hold and handle. This in important because to many students by nature want to strike like using a bat, when one hand show guide and the other cuts. I also integrate into my class for higher 1st dan and above. 50.00 dollars is a steal for good instructional tapes. Barak VonHelsing wrote: Been lurking here awhile and finally have a question worthy of your input. I am a Cho-Dan, about to test for E-Dan in a traditional Tang Soo Do school. I would enjoy learning some traditional sword forms and KumSul has come up frequently. My question is what have you guys heard about Kum Sul? Do you think purchasing the videos is worth it?(50.00) And lastly, is there something else I should be looking into? If things go well with this I would like to integrate these forms into my class as a change of pace. Thanks. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Don Kirsch" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:53:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] hate to be such a Bruce Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been without internet service for a couple weeks now so I'm catching up on a lot of the recent digest positings... one comment... Ray wrote " I hate to be such a Bruce". Ray, I thought Tim "let the cat out of the bag " you really are Bruce. Regards, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Keep pushing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Keep pushing The Standard Democrat 06/29/05 by Scott Welton As June comes to a close, I am reminded of how the life of a remarkable martial arts master's life came to a close this month 17 years ago. >From James Dean to Jimi Hendix - and yes, Bruce Lee - some people die all too young while leaving behind a legacy that often grows into legend. Grandmaster Lee Hyung Park, known around here as Lee H. Park or simply Dr. Park around the Southeast Missouri State University campus, died in June 1988 leaving behind just this sort of legacy. The Japanese arts judo and karate were the first Asian martial arts to really take hold in most parts of the U.S. in great part due to American soldiers returning from occupation duty in Japan. Following Bruce Lee's stellar film career, Chinese Kung Fu also became more widely available. But in this area it was - and still is to this day - Korean taekwondo. In 1969, Park joined Grandmaster He-Young Kimm here in Southeast Missouri. Kimm was invited in the winter of 1963 to teach hapkido, yudo (Korean judo) and taekwondo at Southeast Missouri State University by Dr. Mark Scully, SEMO's president at the time. Kimm left after six years but Park remained to teach at SEMO and establish his Moo Sul Kwan chain of schools. Many who attended Southeast Missouri State University during the '70s and '80s still vaguely remember a "Chinese guy" who taught their college judo class. The last time I visited the athletic department at SEMO, Park's picture was still prominently displayed. Park himself promoted 100 students to the rank of black belt in hapkido, taekwondo and yudo before his death. It is said that his love for teaching the martial arts was so great that he taught from a chair up until the last days of his life. I am among the first generation of black belts from Park's Moo Sul Kwan schools who never got the opportunity to meet Park having joined the organization three years after his untimely death. But the stories I have heard are the stuff of legends. Park grew up in a volatile and violent period in South Korea, and it was there, on the streets, that his techniques were put to the test - no rules, no referees. He was greatly respected not only by his students, but by his Korean grandmaster peers as well. I am proud of the techniques I have learned from Park's students and the intense level of training I endured to learn them. When it was my turn to demonstrate what I had learned for the grandmaster of the school where Park learned taekwondo, the late Nam Suk Lee of the Chang Moo Kwan, I was unashamed. I'm no mind reader, but I believe I saw pride in Lee's eyes as he watched me execute techniques he had passed down to me through Park's students. But, most of all, I am thankful for the legacy that was passed down to me and that I hope to pass on to those who follow me: the legacy of training hard, of driving yourself beyond what you think you can do. This ethic goes beyond kicking and punching to encompass a person's entire life, their way of doing things. And while the taekwondo I have learned is very "jutsu" in nature (techniques practiced for use in actual combat), it is this quality of imparting benefits to all aspects of my life that make it a "do" (pronounced "doe") and worth much more than simply learning how to fight. This ethic, this legacy, can be summed up in two words passed down from Park and embraced by thousands of martial art students: "Keep pushing." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest