Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:03:51 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #275 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: (2)[The_Dojang] Jon P bowing.... (Jon Payne) 2. Re (2) [The_Dojang] technique in application (Jon Payne) 3. Sifu/Sabum (Frank Clay) 4. Re: Taekwondo fights for life at IOC vote (Ray) (Jesse Segovia) 5. new issue of Acta Koreana (Ray) 6. Re: Re: Taekwondo fights for life at IOC vote (Ray) (vic77053-dojanglist@yahoo.com) 7. God has blessed me (Manuel Maldonado) 8. Re: Funny clip (Patrick Williams) 9. Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 10. Re: God has blessed me (jakskru) 11. Re: Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art (jakskru) 12. RE: Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art (Rick Clark) 13. South, North Taekwondo Bodies Discuss Techical Issue (Ray) 14. TKD Festival (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jon Payne" To: "The_Dojang" Subject: Re: (2)[The_Dojang] Jon P bowing.... Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:56:45 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Good Sir, Sorry you do not practice a traditional art. Etiquette is not optional behavior in our org, and those who do not adhere have their inhibitions addressed within the system.>> What exactly are you talking about? Where did I state that I do not practice a traditional martial art? If you disagree with my point of view so be it, but you're statement was just as assuming as my own "combat experience" comment in an earlier post. I show all proper customs and courtesies in the dojang I train in. Outside the dojang I use the customs and courtesies of my culture. You are way off base here. Jon David Payne --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jon Payne" To: "The_Dojang" Subject: Re (2) [The_Dojang] technique in application Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:02:33 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>There are a probably a lot more than a few. J R Hilland>> Sir, I could have worded that allot better. I was trying to drive home the point that while the man may be less then honorable, the techniques I learned were useful. I do not endorse the man or his org, nor would I recommend it to anyone. Jon David Payne --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:57:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sifu/Sabum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Edward, The ideograms for these two words are the same. I think that we get TOO wrapped up in titles. It is a hat we wear... nothing more. Frank --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:20:47 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Taekwondo fights for life at IOC vote (Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: > If a sport is voted out, there are five sports -- golf, karate, roller > sports, seven-a-side rugby and squash -- on an official waiting list as > possible replacements. 'Anybody know if this is no-contact point karate or if there's contact? Jesse --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] new issue of Acta Koreana Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Dear colleagues, The latest issue of Acta Koreana (vol. 8, no. 2 - July 2005) has just been published. The focus of this issue is parody and intertextuality in modern Korean literature, with four articles and two translations on this subject, edited by Ross King and Bruce Fulton of UBC. I would also like to take this opportunity to sollicit your contributions: not just articles in all areas of Korean Studies, but also translations and interviews. Please contact the editors at editor@kmu.ac.kr for more information. Individual issues can be ordered through Seoul Selection (www.seoulselection.com); please contact us at acta@kmu.ac.kr for subscriptions. The list of contents (abstracts will soon be available at www.actakoreana.org) is as follows: ARTICLES ROSS KING and BRUCE FULTON. Guest Editor’s Introduction: Parody in Modern Korean Fiction: An Overview. (1-15) ROSS KING. Traditional Korean Fairytales and Contemporary Korean Fiction: A Case Study of the “Woodcutter and the Nymph” (17-48) DAFNA ZUR. Travel across Time: Modern “Rewrites” of Pak Chiwŏn’s Yŏrha ilgi (49-64) BRUCE FULTON. Wings and Wiggles: Four Intertextual Korean Stories (65-75) LEIF OLSEN. Hybrid Narratives: Contemporary Parodies of Hong Kiltong (77-95) CHO DONG-IL. Korean Literary History in the East Asian Context (97-115) ANDREW EUNGI KIM. Nation-building and Korean Civil Religion: The Making of National Community, Culture and Identity (117-137) LITERATURE IN TRANSLATION YI SO-JUNG, translator. One Lucky Day by YI MUNYŎL (139–151) JENNY KIM. An Unlucky Day by CHU INSŏK (153–166) INTERVIEW MICHAEL FINCH. An Interview with Cho dong-il (167–177) SIX BOOK REVIEWS (179-194) Sem Vermeersch managing editor, Acta Koreana --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Taekwondo fights for life at IOC vote (Ray) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net this is the no contact points version Jesse Segovia wrote:Ray wrote: > If a sport is voted out, there are five sports -- golf, karate, roller > sports, seven-a-side rugby and squash -- on an official waiting list as > possible replacements. 'Anybody know if this is no-contact point karate or if there's contact? Jesse _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:37:50 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] God has blessed me Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net  My son Mario & his wife had a beautiful baby girl on June 28, 2005 her name is Hayleigh Madison Maldonado, 7 lbs 2oz and 19 3/4 inches long... Im happy can't wait to hold her. Manuel Maldonado President Ho Do Kwan TKD Association --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Funny clip To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net best clip i've seen in awhile Jye nigma wrote:http://media2.big-boys.com/bbfilez/kungfufighter.wmv --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:19:09 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bowing is a tradition that shows respect in the asian culture, and as a student of the asian culture I practice this tradition with the people I train with. I choose to show that respect to those that have earned it. Respect is not Free. If I am in the Do-Jang or at the Sports Bar or at the Mall. If this make you feel uncomfortable. Then the bow does not have as deep of a meaning to you. It is not the act of bowing but the meaning projected by the bow. I have seen many martial artist that bow because it is what they are taught or they bow because it is expected either way they bow with no real meaning. Addressing a senior and or a junior appropreately should not change because you are not in the studio or in uniform. I go to the Doctor and I say Dr. Jones, When I see him at the gas station I still call him Dr. Jones It is a earned title. If I saw the president of the USA Jogging or not in his suit or on official busness I would still call him Mr. President not George. You can't show respect to people sometimes. Respect is a full time committment Sport is a game to played for the sake of winning a prize Football---Superbowl Racing----Winston Cup Boxing----Heavey Weight Belt Martial Arts is not a game and the results are determined by life and death not a trophy Point tournaments for example are fun and I have participated in many through the years but it is an exercise in sport (you play to win a trophy) I no longer participate in point tournament. Because there is to much focus on winning and playing the game. Even the bow has become a part of the game. I take my students to some closed tournaments where learning is the focus. But prefer to train realistic for life and death situations. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] God has blessed me Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:17:43 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net congrats to the new rugrat...i have three of them myself, 12, 10, and 6 months! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] God has blessed me > My son Mario & his wife had a beautiful baby girl on June 28, 2005 her > name is Hayleigh Madison Maldonado, 7 lbs 2oz and 19 3/4 inches long... > Im happy can't wait to hold her. Manuel Maldonado President Ho Do Kwan > TKD Association > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:28:14 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net there have been alot of posts on this topic...but this one hit a chord with me...since when does it show a lack of respect NOT to bow outside of the dojang? just because someone doesnt bow to a teacher or higher rank does not, i guess in my opinion, mean that you dont respect them or their accomplishments...bowing is not a part of the culture i have seen in america, unless you are in a predominately asian area, and i have never known an instructor or senior who asked for a bow at all times, or one that got upset if one didnt come outside of the training hall or a tournament type setting...as a matter of fact, all the masters or teachers i have ever met would be either embarrassed or tell you not to do it in public...so to say that it is a lack of respect seems to me to be a little off track. now, if i was in an asian country, i would do like the asians do (when in seoul.....) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art > Bowing is a tradition that shows respect in the asian culture, and as a > student of the asian culture I practice this tradition with the people I train > with. I choose to show that respect to those that have earned it. Respect is > not Free. If I am in the Do-Jang or at the Sports Bar or at the Mall. If this > make you feel uncomfortable. Then the bow does not have as deep of a meaning > to you. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:47:18 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Gladewater SooBahkDo [mailto:gladewatersoobahkdo@msn.com] >Subject: [The_Dojang] Bowing (last word) and sport vs martial art >Sport is a game to played for the sake of winning a prize > Football---Superbowl > Racing----Winston Cup > Boxing----Heavey Weight Belt > >Martial Arts is not a game and the results are determined by life and death not a trophy Did you forget - Taekwondo = Olympic gold medal Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] South, North Taekwondo Bodies Discuss Techical Issue Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net South, North Taekwondo Bodies Discuss Techical Issue The Korea Times By Cho Jin-seo Staff Reporter 06-30-2005 The World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) and the International Taekwondo Federation (ITF) agreed to establish a committee to integrate the technical aspects of the sport, the WTF said yesterday. The two global bodies of taekwondo had two-day talks from Monday in Beijing, and agreed to have one co-chairman and two or three members from each side for the proposed coordination committee for technical integration. The committee will be primarily in charge of issues related to competition methods and poomsae, which refers to demonstrative patterns of the Korean traditional martial art. The committee will also try to find possible ways for the two taekwondo organizations to jointly participate in the Olympic Games, the WTF said in an announcement. The WTF has been representing taekwondo at the Olympic Games since it became an official event in 2000. It is estimated that there are over 40 million people in about 140 countries who practice taekwondo according to ITF rules, while 50 million in more than 170 countries follow the WTF style. Many ITF taekwondo practitioners also undertake WTF training in order to participate in the Olympics. The WTF will discuss the issue at its executive council meeting in Seoul on July 20. --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Festival Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net World Taekwondo Festival Due The Korea Times By Kim Hyun-cheol Staff Reporter 06-30-2005 In an attempt to make taekwondo a cultural event as well as a competitive sport, the World Taekwondo Festival will be held in Changhua, Taiwan, July 4-8. This is the first time for the 7-year-old event to be held overseas. Some 600 taekwondo fans and athletes from 25 countries will participate in the event and the co-hosted tournament of the 2005 Changhua Open. South Korea's Chungcheong University, the host of the festival, will join Taiwan's Chienkuo Technology University to organize the festival. In addition to the tournament, activities such as academic seminars on taekwondo, exhibitions and other cultural events are planned. Taiwanese President Chen Shuibian will deliver a speech on the opening day as a special guest. ``As part of our plan to form a global taekwondo network, we will hold the event in foreign countries in the future,'' said Oh Kyung-ho, chairman of the board of trustees of Chungcheong University. ``Already, several countries are interested in hosting the next event.'' The Korean-born martial art has been booming in Taiwan, especially since the country earned its first Olympic gold medals last year in Athens, Greece. Chu Muyen won the men's under-58 kilograms category and Chen Shihhsin topped the podium in the women's under-49 kilograms class. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest