Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 03:03:48 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #284 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. etiquette (J R Hilland) 2. Wintergarden TKD (Frank Clay) 3. Re: bowing (Kevin Luttrell) 4. Re: etiquette (Daniel) 5. WTF launches e-newsletter and revamps official Web site (Ray) 6. WTF/ITF Forms Question (BJ Pritchett) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:04:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] etiquette Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I never was really instructed in the “art of etiquette outside the dojang”. We seldom socialized with my instructor back in the 70’s. There was also a language problem. He only spoke Korean, we only spoke English at first. More often than not, most activities outside of class involved the dojang. We cleaned his garage, repainted the dojang, etc. No one ever said to behave differently outside of class or the dojang, and no one did behave differently towards our instructor or even the senior students outside of class. Later in the 80’s, most of my free time was spent at my teacher’s house or with him in the Korean community outside of the dojang. I was always on my best behavior as I was my teacher’s guest. Several decades later, nothing has changed. I now see my instructor at the airport or at his dojang, I bow first. It is what I was taught. I learned the why by myself. I have a great deal of respect for someone who goes out of their way to teach me what they have spent a life time learning. I know the many times hapkido saved his life during Vietnam and how much it has changed me over the years. When I see my students bow to me outside of the dojang, and I have never asked them to, I remember, back when I was a bright-eyed new white belt in June of 1974... J R Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:03:57 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Wintergarden TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can only tell you to stay away from. Hackworth used to have a school in Ocoee and while it is closed supposedly he has another somewhere in the area. DO NOT GO THERE!!!! May also have Kevin Huston involved. Frank --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Luttrell To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, Traditionally, bowing is a sign of respect/courtesy in the Asian culture. I dont see any problem with either bowing only in the dojang or anytime you meet another martial artist. Either preference is just that. Preconceived notions about Ego or announcing that you are a martial artist really doesnt matter. As a matter of fact, historically warriors would bow to friend and foe alike. They would always show just as much respect for an enemy as they would a friend. A bow when performed in the right state of mind, honors its reciever. I dont see how you can go wrong if you bow every time. Although, if you fail to show respect you stand a chance of disrespecting the person unless you know him very well. So it is my own personal preference to bow as a sign of respect unless the person asks me not to. Just my opinion, Master Kevin Luttrell Director The Martial Artist Foundation Springfield, Mo. Visit The Martial Artist Foundation Official Website and Sign up for FREE Dish Network Offer Support TMAF at www.sportTKD.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] etiquette To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Respect is something you show, but how you respect someone depends on that person. Going back to the issue of Master/GM/Dr/etc titles, my instructor (master) likes just being referred to as Ms, and so with rare exception we do so. We're respecting the person - her wishes/desires. While some Masters/GMs may think it rude to be called anything but Master/GM so-and-so, it's all based on the individual. And bowing is along the same road. It's a way to show respect, but if you're respecting the position (be it just a fellow student, your instructor/master/gm) and not the person, then you've missed the point. For instance, if I saw my GM - anywhere - I would bow and would call him Grandmaster. He's from korea, and that's how he appreciates being respected. But when I see a friend of mine who's a black belt over in publix or at the movies, we'll shake hands, call each other by our first names, and just have fun. It was pointed out before, but is very key - respect the person, not the position. J R Hilland wrote: I never was really instructed in the “art of etiquette outside the dojang”. We seldom socialized with my instructor back in the 70’s. There was also a language problem. He only spoke Korean, we only spoke English at first. More often than not, most activities outside of class involved the dojang. We cleaned his garage, repainted the dojang, etc. No one ever said to behave differently outside of class or the dojang, and no one did behave differently towards our instructor or even the senior students outside of class. Later in the 80’s, most of my free time was spent at my teacher’s house or with him in the Korean community outside of the dojang. I was always on my best behavior as I was my teacher’s guest. Several decades later, nothing has changed. I now see my instructor at the airport or at his dojang, I bow first. It is what I was taught. I learned the why by myself. I have a great deal of respect for someone who goes out of their way to teach me what they have spent a life time learning. I know the many times hapkido saved his life during Vietnam and how much it has changed me over the years. When I see my students bow to me outside of the dojang, and I have never asked them to, I remember, back when I was a bright-eyed new white belt in June of 1974... J R Hilland www.rrhapkido.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF launches e-newsletter and revamps official Web site Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net SEOUL (July 1, 2005) - As part of its continued efforts to further globalize Taekwondo, the World Taekwondo Federation has launched its first ever e-newsletter and revamped its Web site. The WTF has recently sent the first edition of the WTF Newsletter to presidents of the WTF member National Associations and regional unions, as well as members of the International Olympic Committee and International Sports Federations. The first edition of the e-newsletter is a recap of the activities of the sport of Taekwondo since the 17th General Assembly of the WTF held in Madrid, Spain, on April 12 this year, where the visionary reform recommendations were approved. The inaugural edition contains the latest news within the sport and organization, such as the first ad-hoc committee meeting on electronic protectors and demonstrations by several electronic protector manufacturers on July 20 in Seoul, and the proposed creation of a Taekwondo regional union in Oceania. According to the WTF's strategic plan, the WTF is scheduled to launch the ad-hoc committee on electronic protectors to make judging at Taekwondo competitions more objective. It also contains a notice to member National Associations on Taekwondo marketing survey. Tula Communications, an American marketing agency in charge of the survey, will directly communicate with each of the WTF's 179 member associations over the next several months to determine how best to present Taekwondo to the sponsorship community so as to serve our community. In addition, the first edition contains a 117th IOC Session Special Edition e-book, which features interesting facts about the symbolism of the new WTF logo, which was first unveiled at the Madrid General Assembly in April this year. The special edition also contains comprehensive historical review of the journey of Taekwondo, from its roots as a traditional Korean martial art to its present-day status as a global sport in the Olympic program. On June 24, the WTF relaunched a revamped Web site, which includes two flash animations - a promotional film of the WTF titled "Aiming High!" and a reform report titled "WTF Begins!" "We hope this e-newsletter, and subsequent editions of it, will keep you up-to-date with the developments of the sport of Taekwondo and the WTF," said WTF President Chungwon Choue. "We hope it will help propel Taekwondo and organization to embrace the new century through new technology." Choue continued to say, "Perhaps most significantly, we hope that the e-newsletter will provide a platform for the sport of Taekwondo and the WTF to scale new heights, as we endeavor to propagate the Olympic Movement to all corners of the world through our cherished sport." --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "BJ Pritchett" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:38:06 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF/ITF Forms Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings All, I am looking for a little guidance and feedback on how I am teaching forms. I am only a second dan and have been blessed to have a few different TKD instructors along my path so I was raised learning the taeguks and the Palgue's. Recently I changed instructors and learned the ITF series (I'm military and transfer a lot). Anyway, I received my instructor certification in ITF and started teaching. Some of my students coming in have taeguk experience. I have been teaching them the appropriate form for there belt level in either system WTF or ITF depending what they started in. (All students learn the same one steps, kicks, etc at the same belt level regardless of forms, anyway I digress...) If they start with me, I am running them up the ITF since those are what I feel I know/do best. My original thought process was I wanted my students to learn all of one series up to black, then they could focus and learn the other because both systems have wonderful things to learn from them. Even today when I review the forms with my younger students I see techniques I didn't realize before in them (or application). I read more now and can apply the subtle differences that I didn't know when I was younger, so I continue to learn too. Anyway - I was looking for responses from the more experienced instructors on whether this is a good practice or a bad practice. What are the pro's and con's as you see them and any recommendations you may have. I do ask, if your going to blast me for being an idiot (by your perception) and rip me for not sticking to one style or the other, please do it personally to me rather than on the mass listing. Thanks much, and I'm looking forward to learning from you all. Yours in the Arts, BJ Pritchett --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest