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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Dual track (Charles Richards) 2. TKD stays in Olympics (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dual track Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read "Anyway, I received my instructor certification in ITF and started teaching. Some of my students coming in have taeguk experience. I have been teaching them the appropriate form for there belt level in either system WTF or ITF depending what they started in. (All students learn the same one steps, kicks, etc at the same belt level regardless of forms, anyway I digress...) If they start with me, I am running them up the ITF since those are what I feel I know/do best. My original thought process was I wanted my students to learn all of one series up to black, then they could focus and learn the other because both systems have wonderful things to learn from them." MC Reply, I see a couple of issues so here goes. There are 24 hyungs in the ITF series and 8 Taeguks plus 9 Udanja WTF patterns, if you also dable in the 8 Palgwes you are looking at keeping almost 50 patterns current. FWIW Funakoshi was fine with 18 patterns. I read you have an ITF cert, and assume you do not have a WTF (KKW) cert. If you don't plan to offer your students KKW certs, I'm not sure why you would teach both series. Even if you pick the dual track, which many on this list do, I would suggest then only one set of udanja patterns. In your case ITF since that's where your instructor's certification is. When you grow and expand to having "helpers" will they be qualified to teach 40 to 50 patterns? What will you ask of students at gup testing? Two forms per belt level, one ITF and one WTF? How much time in class will be left for Kicking, sparring, one steps, etc if you are teaching 2 patterns per belt level? Personally I teach TSD patterns. That is my base art, and I feel there is enough information/progressive challenges for my students to last a lifetime. I have judged WTF and ITF patterns at tournaments for 5 years now, and am learning the WTF lower udanja patterns so that I may pursue and offer (at some date) KKW certs for my Olympic style fighters. I agree with your statement about each series having different things to offer, and your statement about forming a strong base in one series before working on another series. I will be teaching Koryo to my blackbelts that want to compete with it, but will remain focussed on TangSooDo patterns. Take a long look at which series you enjoy and are most effective teaching. My suggestion would be to teach that series as cirriculum and only offer the "alternative" material to students that want to compete with those patterns. MC --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD stays in Olympics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net IOC votes to keep taekwondo in Games Baseball, softball dropped from Olympics The Korea Herald 7/9/05 The International Olympic Committee voted to retain the Korean traditional martial art of taekwondo as an Olympic sport during a secret ballot in Singapore on Friday. In their general session, IOC members voted to keep taekwondo as an official event at the 2012 Olympics. Taekwondo, along with baseball, softball and the modern pentathlon, had been threatened with being replaced due to growing criticism over judging mistakes and low television viewing rates. The sport's international image was further tarnished after its former top official Kim Un-yong, who also served as vice IOC chairman, received a jail term for corruption charges last year. In recent weeks, South Korea has launched a government-led worldwide campaign to keep taekwondo among the Olympics' 28 official sports. On Tuesday, President Roh Moo-hyun sent a letter to IOC head Jaques Rogge seeking his support. South Korea's taekwondo officials also promised to provide electronic scoring systems, revise match rules and introduce other reform measures. Taekwondo became an official Olympic sport at the 2000 Sydney Olympics. A total of eight gold medals - four for men and four for women - are at stake in the sport's contest. Meanwhile, baseball and softball, two sports invented in America, were dropped from the Olympic program. Each of the 28 existing sports was put to a secret vote by the International Olympic Committee, and baseball and softball failed to receive a majority required to stay on the program. The other 26 sports were retained. "I think they've made a big, big mistake," said Tommy Lasorda, the former Dodgers manager who managed the 2000 U.S. team to the gold medal in the 2000 Sydney Games. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest