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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Kum Sul????? (Bruce Sims) 2. Kids in Hapkido (Bruce Sims) 3. blocks and strikes (Frank Clay) 4. Re: Making TKD more interesting (Braeswood Martial Arts) 5. Koreas Meet 1st Time in Taekwondo Showdown (Ray) 6. Re: Kids in Hapkido (Ray) 7. Re: Koreas Meet 1st Time in Taekwondo Showdown (Ray) 8. RE: Kids in Hapkido (Rick Clark) 9. Sid forms (George Peters) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:26:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kum Sul????? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Patrick: Not sure what you are referring to. As far as I know a "kum sool" is a sword technique. A stance is a "sul". Gripping the sword is a "sul". a Push Step is a "sul". Put three or four "sul" together and you get a "bup" or "method". "Advance and attack the thief" is a sword method or "bup"; to wit: a stuttered Push-step and a straight or angled descending cut. I believe "bo" refers to a methodology (a study of a method) as in "Wol-do bo" (lit: methodology of using the Wol-do). Some hyung are a string of "bup" put together. What exactly is in the item that you are buying? Who put it out? Best Wishes, Bruce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Kids in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks, Alain: "...... I have visited other HKD schools in Korea, but primarily trained in those three places. In those schools, kids were taught the same curriculum as adults. They learned every joint lock,throw, kick, strike, etc. that adults learn. ...." Tell me about the Chokes. When they teach the children to Choke each other out, how do they do that exactly. And the falling-knee strike---- you know like the one that little kid killed his playmate with a year or so back. How do they teach that, I'm wondering? And the strike to the ears where you rupture the eardrum? I was also wondering about the strike to the back of the knee that drives the knee to the pavement and fractures the kneecap. How do they teach to the little kids? There are some dislocations, positions of disadvantage (Upwards thrust to the groin with the foot comes to mind) strangling applications with the jul, blinding techniques with the soh bong and dan bong, or fracturing techniques with the cane or staff. Maybe I am missing something. Perhaps you might find a chance to check out how the Koreans teach lethal and debilitating techniques to their children. Perhaps I have sold them short, yes? Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:45:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] blocks and strikes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid, The human body does not differentiate between a strike and a block. For this reason the movements are considered the same. Take for example a short inside jab with a vertical fist. It is obviously a strike; however, when using the forearm against an incoming limb, it is a very effective block. When properly trained the two are one and the same. Designing a hyung to emphasize one over the other would be a wasted venture. These techniques already exist in the classical pyung ahn hyung and the chung han hyung. I would assume they also exist in the Taegeuk poomse as well. FWIW Frank --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:21:16 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Making TKD more interesting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GEAR!!! GEAR!!!! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING GEAR!!! :) --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Koreas Meet 1st Time in Taekwondo Showdown Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Koreas Meet 1st Time in Taekwondo Showdown 7/15/05 By Kim Hyun-cheol Staff Reporter For the first time in the history of taekwondo, athletes from South and North Korea squared off in an international event, where the North clenched the win in Queensland, Australia, Wednesday. Oh Hyun-soo of South Korea played Pu Song-min of North Korea in the qualification round of the male pattern category, where athletes completed their performance of ``poomse,'' a solo form of practice, at the International Taekwondo Federation (ITF) World Championships, but lost 3-1 in a judges' decision. Pu won the gold medal in the event. The 12-man South Korean delegation is participating in the tournament for the first time, by the invitation of the North-Korea-based ITF. While the tournaments by the South-run World Taekwondo Federation deal with sparring called ``kyorugi,'' ITF tournaments are adopting more detailed events like poomse, breaking, including team matches of those categories. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kids in Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Tell me about the Chokes... > > And the falling-knee strike---- > > And the strike to the ears where you rupture the eardrum? > > I was also wondering about the strike to the back of the knee ... Why can any of those -not- be taught to a 10 or 16 year old child? They see them demoed each and every week on TV, so we're really not teaching them anything new. The difference is mainly that we're sandwiching techinque instruction with a discussion of ethical usage. Hopefully we're teaching children of that age, and younger, to properly and safely handle and use a firearm. Or should we also not do that? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Koreas Meet 1st Time in Taekwondo Showdown To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Oh Hyun-soo of South Korea played Pu Song-min of North Korea in the > qualification round of the male pattern category, where athletes > completed their performance of ``poomse,'' a solo form of practice, at > the International Taekwondo Federation (ITF) World Championships, but > lost 3-1 in a judges' decision. Pu won the gold medal in the event. Now that had to be exciting... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:59:57 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kids in Hapkido To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Bruce, >From: Bruce Sims [mailto:bwsims2004@yahoo.com] >Subject: [The_Dojang] Kids in Hapkido > > >Thanks, Alain: > >"...... I have visited other HKD schools in Korea, >but primarily trained in those three places. In those >schools, kids were taught the same curriculum as adults. They >learned every joint lock,throw, kick, strike, etc. that adults >learn. ...." > >Tell me about the Chokes. When they teach the children to >Choke each other out, how do they do that exactly. I am curious - I know in Judo chokes are taught to kids and to the best of my knowledge there has never been a death as a result of a choke in a Judo class or in a Judo tournament since Judo was started. Seems to me with that kind of a track record chokes are relatively safe to teach. Can a person die of a choke - of course. In fact there have been a number of people killed and severely injured. For information on deaths from choke holds used by the LAPD please see http://judoinfo.com/chokes6.htm >And the falling-knee strike---- you know like the one that >little kid killed >his playmate with a year or so back. How do they teach that, I'm >wondering? Was this a technique that was taught in a martial arts school, under the supervision of an instructor? Or was it something the child saw on TV and thought they could try? It might be that if they had received instruction that this was dangerous and not a TV act there would not have been an injury. > >And the strike to the ears where you rupture the eardrum? Is there child in any school that does not know how to smack eardrums and rattle the head of their classmates? Once again it seems to me if you show such a technique and give instruction as to what may happen with a technique you actually lessen the danger of a child hurting another child on the playground. > >I was also wondering about the strike to the back of the knee >that drives >the knee to the pavement and fractures the kneecap. How do >they teach to the little kids? > >There are some dislocations, positions of disadvantage >(Upwards thrust to >the groin with the foot comes to mind) strangling applications >with the jul, >blinding techniques with the soh bong and dan bong, or >fracturing techniques with the cane or staff. Maybe I am >missing something. Perhaps you might find a chance to check >out how the Koreans teach lethal and debilitating techniques >to their children. Perhaps I have sold them short, yes? >Thoughts? Comments? I don't normally see kids in the playground with a cane or dan bong, but then again I may be wrong. >From my perspective I think you are doing kids potential harm if you do not teach them dangerous and potentially deadly techniques. What comes to mind for me are these poor kids who have been abducted by the child molesters, tortured, raped, and sometimes killed. I know that *IF* I had been teaching one of those kids and had not taught as much as I could to give them at least a chance to survive I don't know how I could look at myself in the mirror each morning. If a parent brings in a child to learn how to defend themselves I think it is my responsibility to teach them what I can to give them what I can to level the field - or at least something that can potentially work for them to give them the opportunity to run and escape. Perhaps I am wrong - but I will continue to teach children techniques that can potentially cause serious damage to their opponent because I don't want to wake up and find out that one of the kids I taught is dead. But I am sure there is the danger that they could harm one of their friends on the playground - but then we do teach kids that the techniques should not be used against their friends, brothers, and sisters. So far I have not had a report that they have injured a playmate. I have had individuals come back and tell me that the techniques I have taught have worked against an assailant and saved them injury. > >Best Wishes, > >Bruce Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:22:27 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sid forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Looks and sounds like you are trying to reinvent the wheel.:) If you can take the time to study what has been taught in the past by the "old mastsers", I'm sure you will find what you seek. Respectfully, George --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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