Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:04:05 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #291 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Making TKD more interesting (KO-Online) 2. Re: Kum Sul????? (Patrick Williams) 3. RE: Kids in Hapkido - Rick Clark's response to Bruce (Jeff Yeagley) 4. Re: Firearms safety (Beungood8@aol.com) 5. age appropriate knowledge (tim collatz) 6. RE: age appropriate knowledge (Rick Clark) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:10:01 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: KO-Online Subject: [The_Dojang] Making TKD more interesting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GEAR!!! GEAR!!!! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING GEAR!!! :) Youch, I just felt my equipment supply company die!!!! Actually the links below have some of the WTF's new additions including gloves ( yeah more sales) to encourage more punching. http://www.wtf.org/site/wtf/notice.htm?realnum=16&page=2&keyword=&part=&mode=view http://new-look.wtf.org/site/rules/rules1.htm Jim www.ko-online.com wholesale martial arts supplies --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Williams Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kum Sul????? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What are you talking about? Sool or Sul? Lets make it simple. Do you also care to say hapkido is a system of self defense or are you one who believes in "do?' Do you go to area dojangs to say your instructor teaches a method not a style or system. There are a lot of you out there. Most of us don't bother to teach the close minded. We find that you are ever learning but never really learn because you already know it all. You play on words and are the master of everything. If this is the wrong Patrick then my bad, if so, enough said. Bruce Sims wrote:Dear Patrick: Not sure what you are referring to. As far as I know a "kum sool" is a sword technique. A stance is a "sul". Gripping the sword is a "sul". a Push Step is a "sul". Put three or four "sul" together and you get a "bup" or "method". "Advance and attack the thief" is a sword method or "bup"; to wit: a stuttered Push-step and a straight or angled descending cut. I believe "bo" refers to a methodology (a study of a method) as in "Wol-do bo" (lit: methodology of using the Wol-do). Some hyung are a string of "bup" put together. What exactly is in the item that you are buying? Who put it out? Best Wishes, Bruce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:18:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Kids in Hapkido - Rick Clark's response to Bruce Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very well stated Master Clark. Sincerely, Jeff Yeagley http://www.wetrainharder.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:47:47 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Firearms safety Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 7/15/2005 5:30:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Hopefully we're teaching children of that age, and younger, to > properly > and safely handle and use a firearm. Or should we also not do that? There is Ray again with his discussion about firearms. You shouldn't let your kids anywhere near a gun. And you also shouldn't teach lethal techniques to kids. No matter how many ethical discussion you keep before, during or after instruction. A kid does not have to know how to kill another human being. period What does teaching firearms safety have to do with teaching a kid how to kill another human being? I think firearms safety and kids are a good idea. You teach them respect about them and the implications and what to do if they or their friends find one or what to do if they see some one mishandling one. The NRA Eddie eagle program does this as well as the Boyscouts also have a program dealing with these subjects. It takes the mysticism and appeal out of fooling with guns and makes the kids least likely to fool or sneak and play with them. FWIW. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "tim collatz" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:03:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] age appropriate knowledge Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I believe that there is an appropriate age for teaching kids certain things, that's why learning to drive a car is 16. Being able to drink is 21. Sex education starts at an early age, but at 10 years old they don't need to know the mechanics involved. I have 4 kids that are very responsible, oldest just graduated from college, others are straight A students. All but one practice tkd. Even though they are very responsible, it sends chills up and down my spine to think of any one of them handling a gun when they were 10-12 years of age unsupervised. Notice I said unsupervised. Yes, children can learn how to handle guns, but when there isn't a responsible adult around, the guns need to be locked up. It's very naive to think that children can act with the same mental capacity as an adult and make responsible decisions all the time. Last year 9 children under age 19 were killed by guns- per day! For every child killed 4 were wounded. Over 1200 committed suicide/ unlike other methods of suicide, suicide by guns are almost always fatal. It's a sorry day for our society when we need to teach our kids to fight for their lives. Unfortunatly, that day is here. So, what do we do? We as adults in this society need to start taking care of the sickos  and the perverts and stop being so lenient. Sorry about the paraphrasing but didn't want to spend all night typing. I'm not that good at it. Tim   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find e-mail and documents on your PC instantly with the new MSN Search Toolbar–FREE! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:22:47 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] age appropriate knowledge To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: tim collatz [mailto:tcollatz@hotmail.com] >it sends chills up and down my spine to think of any one of >them handling a gun when they were 10-12 years of age >unsupervised. Notice I said unsupervised. Silly me - I was out hunting by myself or with a friend at a similar age. Lord only knows I should be dead now and have killed my friend. I was not smart enough to recognize the damage that I did to a rabbit could have just as easily been my friends. > Yes, children can >learn how to handle guns, but when there isn't a responsible >adult around, the guns need to be locked up. It's very naive >to think that children can act with the same mental capacity >as an adult and make responsible decisions all the time. I agree they can't but then by the same token there are adults out there that I would want to be supervised by children. > Last >year 9 children under age 19 were killed by guns- per day! For >every child killed 4 were wounded. Over 1200 committed >suicide/ unlike other methods of suicide, suicide by guns are >almost always fatal. And how many were killed in a car wreck, drowned in a swimming pool, fell on the ground and hit their head, along with all kinds of other accidents. > It's a sorry day for our society when we >need to teach our kids to fight for their lives. Unfortunately, >that day is here. So, what do we do? We as adults in this >society need to start taking care of the sickos  and the >perverts and stop being so lenient. Sorry about the >paraphrasing but didn't want to spend all night typing. I'm >not that good at it. Kids should know how to defend themselves with martial arts, guns or other weapons. They may be the one that could get to a weapon if a parent were being victimized by a criminal - they may not recognize that a child will know where a gun or other weapon is located, much less know how to use it. God forbid it ever becomes necessary for any of us but - you never know. > >Tim   Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest