Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:03:38 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #298 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: not political its martial (Rick Clark) 2. Killing and self defense (J R Hilland) 3. @12 (Oludipe O. Tolulope) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:31:41 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] not political its martial To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com [mailto:Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com] >Why is it that we don't want to admit that firearms training is a martial art, fighting for survival is just that, I believe prof clark has >pointed it out but i will do it again the unarmed arts were for protecting your self until you could get to a weapon and and if the guy used a stick >you got a bigger stick or a throwing weapon so he couldnt reach you, but you could him. As a point of reference Japan did have martial art based on gunnery (Hojutsu). Hojutsu is one of the Koryu (old tradition / bujutsu) schools of Japan. The introduction of guns (teppo) into Japan around 1570 and influenced how battles were fought, cannon influenced formations of warriors, fortifications etc. Think of the advantage the gun gave to the lord of the manor. The gun allowed individuals who were not of the warrior class (peasants) who had not been raised as a member of the warrior class, to engage the samurai in battle with much less training. This was a terrific advantage for the peasants who had to face a foe with superior skills in close quarter combat. Hummm I guess that the same applies today. Nations and individuals always seek to have a technological advantage over their opponents. Technological advantage are things like stone over wood, bronze over stone, iron over bronze, steel over iron, or another way to think of it is a sharp pointy thing over empty hands, long sharp pointy thing over short sharp pointy thing, sharp pointy thing that flies through the air over long sharp pointy thing, gun over sharp pointy thing that flies through the air . . . . . Perhaps we should find out how Hojutsu is pronounced in Korean and adapt it to the KMA, like Aikido and Shotokan :-) >kurtis carter Rick Clark "You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone" Al Capone www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:34:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Killing and self defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I often ask a new student to define self-defense and 99.9% of the time the words self and defense are simply rearranged. Self defense is by definition (from a hapkido point of view) an extension of self control, an extension of YOUR technique. The extension of your awareness and ability to react and maintain control over your environment. It could simply be hitting the brakes when a car pulls out in front of you. You are not going to stop a sniper you don't see. Your intent against an attacker who is NOT trying to kill you should not be one of death. When asked to define the term self defense, most people have trouble with putting this concept into words. The dictionary defines self-defense as: self-defense n. 1) Defense of oneself when physically attacked. 2) Defense of what belongs to oneself, as one's works or reputation. 3) The right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means is "reasonably necessary". But these define an action, not the actual concept of self-defense. Self-defense (once again, from a hapkido point of view) as a concept is defined as an extension of self-control. This is based on the premise that you do not have control over someone else’s action, but you do have total control over your own. You determine your reaction to conflict. No one can make you angry without your consent. You determine your destiny and are responsible for where you are and what you do. It is easy and very tempting to blame others and circumstances for your situation, although in reality, there is no one else to blame. Just my thoughts... Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Oludipe O. Tolulope" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] @12 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not really going off point.. When I was 12 (18yrs ago), the folks let me watch all d TV I wanted till 8pm when I get booted off to bed in preparation for school the next day. Weekends I get to stay up till 9.30!! Unfortunately that's when the few stations then broadcasted the Network News so I do the going to sleep on my own :( Movies I got to watch were mainly for and viewable by kids- Bugsy Malone, Crimpson Pirates, Ruthless People where like Ray said, only the bad guys gets it in the end. But that was what they saw me watch. "Off the screen" there were films like Fatal Attraction, Postman Always Rings Twice, Sex Boat.. :D (Don't ask me where I got them from) Music wasn't barred either. Lots of stuff on the radio. But I was always told that those things were really unreal.. umm.. well the last mentioned movie.. . I digress. All kids like me wanted to see was the BOOM but my brothers taught me to watch&listen beyond that. Then I learnt about plot in films& harmony in music. Then I fell in love with Jazz, classical/contemporary. What I'm trying to say is, we all need someone to help us on the Path of Rightousness. With hindsight, I very well could have become a menace to society but today I'm a Mining Engineering university graduate almost with CCNA & soon to be married &loved wherever I go! God is the only real protector. It may seem a some folks take the welfare of their kids for granted, but there is just so much one can do but the best we can, pray and hope for the best. Tolulope, 2Dan TKD, Nigeria. ******** "That would have been more like when Ray was -12. :)" Ha ha ha haaaa ahaahahaa aha ahaa!!!!! gasp-gasp, ha shs ahahashha ah.... What was that.. 1766? eeeeheh ehehahhahaa... ******** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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