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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: children w/ blackbelts (Wes Heaps) 2. Netiquette & Virtue in the Martial Arts (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. Reimbursement of fees after 'unsuccessful' self-defense (Don Ross) 4. New documentary on NK (Ray) 5. Teaching kids (Rick Clark) 6. SBD Perfect Form (Ray) 7. Akebono out again (Ray) 8. http://www.ScientificWrestling.com/letter_from_karl.htm (Ray) 9. RE: jakskru(god, I miss Craig Stovall) (George Peters) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Heaps To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: children w/ blackbelts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been practicing KSW for 21 years (since i was 8)Recieved my first dahn when i was 16.how are u going to tell me that i couldnt have defended myself against an adult when in fact i did it many times in the past. I believe (1) that it is upto the student to take what they've learned seriously and develop themselves to be able to defend themselves. (2) It is also upto the instructors not to baby the kids znd not to promote them so quickly that they dont get a chance to let the training sink in. (3) It is upto the school owners and assc. leaders to determine if they want to have a martial arts school and make little money or to tone down traing so it is adequate for ALL ages. and make alittle more money, or to sell BS and make alot of money. (4) and the man's right what the heck are we goin to do against a gun if its not at point blank range. (5)lastly i know that we at our school do match children up with adults in both controlled sparring and freesytle sparring ty for yalls time good health good training and good bye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:15:17 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Netiquette & Virtue in the Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Byron Wilson wrote: >My conundrum is that I am growing increasingly tired of the vitriolic conversations and rude writings that seem to becoming more frequent. No replies are necessary nor sought. I simply wanted to express my opinion for the benefit of those on the board that may feel the same. Thanks Byron! Many of us who post regularly here have been doing so for a decade now, and it is really easy to forget that we're not just talking to each other. It is always a bit startling to me when someone sends me a copy of my own histories (pulled from a site that didn't include my name) with the comment, "read this! this guy really knows his stuff!" or that time in Sudbury when one of our readers said, "you're THE Dakin Burdick?!" (the last bit doesn't happen much to me, but I'm sure Ray and Rudy and JR and the rest get it a lot!). Your post is a good reminder to all of us that we are also representing our arts, and that we need to keep that in mind when posting. We should behave virtuously all the time, but I know for myself that it is easy to remember to do that when I'm wearing a t-shirt with the martial arts on it, or wearing my uniform, because that clothing reminds me that people will associate my behavior with the school on the t-shirt. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:44:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Reimbursement of fees after 'unsuccessful' self-defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims wrote: b.) Institute a policy of TOTAL reimbursement of ALL tuition and > belt tests paid > on the occasion of the child being assaulted and unable to protect > themselves following the bestowing of a Black Belt. Mr. Sims, Sir, since you have previously insinuated that even Koreans, in Korea, do not teach 'real' Hapkido, because they teach children, and by extension, that YOU do, because you do not teach children, perhaps you should consider instituting the 'full-refund' of all fees policy to your adult students in the unfortunate event of an unsuccessful self-defense incident? FWIW. Best Wishes, Don Ross The reverse side also has a reverse side. - Japanese proverb --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] New documentary on NK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... > A new film takes you inside the secret world of North Korea and the hearts > and minds of three generations of North Koreans?? > A STATE OF MIND > by Daniel Gordon > > US Theatrical Premiere Run starts Wednesday, August 10 in New York at the > Film Forum > > A STATE OF MIND is a rare glimpse into North Korea, a nation described > recently on the op-ed page of The New York Times as ??the most bizarre?? most > regimented, militarized and oppressive country in the world.?? North Korea > may be unique among nations in not having had a single political > demonstration in the past 50 years; however its officially devised Mass > Games is a spectacle of extravagant proportions: 100,000 people participate > in elaborately choreographed, dazzlingly colorful, jaw-dropping gymnastic > displays, after months of daily, grueling rehearsals. It??s all for the > delectation of Kim Jong Il, often referred to as ??Dear Leader Kim?? or ??Dear > General.?? Whether the reclusive dictator will deign to show up on the day of > the performance is a matter of constant speculation. > > For 9 months A STATE OF MIND British filmmaker Daniel Gordon followed the > lives of two North Korean schoolgirls (13-year-old Pak Hyon Sun and > 11-year-old Kim Song Yun) as they train for the Mass Games. Gordon paints a > candid portrait of their difficult (though by North Korean standards, very > privileged) lives in this fascinating look at one of the world??s most hidden > societies. Through the voice of three generations of North Koreans, the film > reveals more of North Korea than anything that??s ever been seen before... > > ??An extraordinary documentary...a rare picture of a secret and little > understood country?? The Guardian (London) > ??The footage of the games is magnificent but it is the insight into Korean > lives that is breathtaking?? Sunday Times (London) > ??Terrific?? Gordon had amazing access, going inside the girls?? exceptionally > privileged homes.?? ??Amy Taubin, Film Comment > ??93 unblinking minutes of insight into the lives and minds of the people > living in North Korea, one of the last locked-down communist dictatorships.?? > --Bruce Wallace, Los Angeles Times > > A STATE OF MIND play dates: > Aug 10, Film Forum, New York (filmforum.org) > Aug 19, Facets Cinematheque, Chicago (www.facets.org/cinematheque) > Aug 26, Roxie, San Francisco (www.roxie.com) > Sept 2 Laemmle Fairfax 3, Los Angeles (www.laemmle.com) > Sept 9, University of Minnesota Film Society Bell Auditorium, Minneapolis > (www.mnfilmarts.org/bell) > Sept 23 Grand Illusion Cinema, Seattle (www.grandillusioncinema.org) > > US distributor: Kino International kino.com > Official website of the film: www.astateofmind.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:54:21 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi I have been giving this a bit of thought and would like to throw a thought out there for discussion. As instructors we need to teach students so that after we are gone they will be able to teach our art to succeeding generations. Or do we only wish to take the skills and knowledge we have been taught and let it die as we no longer teach? If we want our arts to be passed on then there is a very simple matter of logic that we must face and that is simply time its self. I know there are various requirements but for sake of discussion I will pick time in grade from what might be considered "normal" Rank # of years in the martial arts # of years to reach rank 1st dan 3 3 2nd dan 2 5 3rd dan 3 8 4th dan 4 12 5th dan 5 17 6th dan 6 23 7th dan 7 30 8th dan 8 38 9th dan 9 47 10th dan 10 57 Rank 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 <- Age at you start martial arts 1st dan 8 13 18 23 28 33 38 43 2nd dan 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 3rd dan 13 18 23 28 33 38 43 48 4th dan 17 22 27 32 37 42 47 52 5th dan 22 27 32 37 42 47 52 57 <- current age 6th dan 28 33 38 43 48 53 58 63 7th dan 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 8th dan 43 48 53 58 63 68 73 78 9th dan 52 57 62 67 72 77 82 87 10th dan 62 67 72 77 82 87 92 97 So if we want students that can carry on and teach in our place we NEED to teach students who are sufficiently young as to be able to continue to teach, age has a way of creeping up on us all. While I don't think most of us believe someone who is 10 years old has the same skill and knowledge of someone who is 20 years old and a 2nd dan I can see the value of having younger students of 1st and 2nd dan level. Thoughts? Rick Clark "You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone" Al Capone www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] SBD Perfect Form Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Perfect form Martial arts team wins third national title By G. Sean Kelly Post Independent Sports Editor July 30, 2005 The Perpetual Trophy will stay in the Rocky Mountain Martial Arts school in Basalt - in perpetuity. The Perpetual Trophy typically travels to a the home of the Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation national champion, finding itself in a new home every year or two. But if a team wins the national title three straight years, the trophy has itself a permanent home. The four-person forms team from Rocky Mountain Martial Arts traveled to the Soo Bahk Do Nationals in Orlando, Fla., for the third time last weekend, and came home - for the third time - with the national championship in the team form category. "Three years ago we didn't have a team. At the time we had no idea where we were going to place," said Glenwood's Sue Fittanto, who was on the team with fellow Roaring Fork Valley residents Robert Wood, Jen Jakob and Dan Dixon. "Then we thought maybe the first year was a fluke, and we won again last year." The team is no fluke now. The Perpetual Trophy has been traveling from school to school for a couple of decades, and the Rocky Mountain Martial Arts team is believed to be the first to win three straight years. "It shows the quality of the school and the quality of the practitioners in our valley," said Rocky Mountain Martial Arts head instructor Jeff Griggs. The foursome represented Region 8, which includes Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. Ten regions competed at Nationals. A form, or "hyung," is essentially a set of moves linked together. In the team form competition the unit develops a synchronized routine no longer than three minutes with points awarded on artistic and technical merit. Each routine also involves sparring or combat sequences. After immersing herself in soo bahk do for seven years, Fittanto admitted it's difficult to describe the essence of a form and the form competition in a few sentences, but she breaks it into three parts - external (the movements), internal (breathing) and spiritual (focus or intent). And then there is getting the most out of each individual, while still working as a single unit. "Everyone brings a little something as far as experience and creativity," Griggs said of the team. "They created the form themselves and once they get the forms to the point that they have a pattern they come to me and do the final polish." While it takes months to get a form ready for competition, Fittanto, Wood, Jakob and Dixon were still tweaking things with Griggs the day before the competition. The final polish this year involved finding the essence of soo bahk do. "(Griggs) had a vision of getting back to the purest form and the way the art had intended forms to look," Fittanto said. "A lot of internal connection and timing and breathing, and I think that's what's given us the edge with the judges - it's different than what they've seen before. "It's the purest way to do it. It's impressive, but not because of all these spinning, flashy things. It's one movement instead of four different people." It didn't hurt that the team has remained unchanged for three years. "We got to the point where we would move together when we were not even practicing," said Fittanto, who also teamed up with Wood, Dixon and Bud Boland for third in the team sparring. "We had some people ask us at nationals if we were joined at the hip." With the Perpetual Trophy now residing in Basalt for good, the foursome will take some time off from the team form competition, opening it up for other Region 8 squads. "We'll all still go to nationals next year.," Fittanto said. "I know there are other people in the region who would like the opportunity to give (team forms) a try, so it only seems fair." --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Akebono out again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Saturday, July 30th, 2005 8:33 AM HST Choi knocks out Akebono, Penn takes decision By KPUA News HONOLULU (AP) -- Former sumo grand champion Akebono fell Friday night to Choi Hong-man of South Korea in a battle of the giants in the K-One World Grand Prix in Hawaii. Akebono is 6-foot-8 and weighs 470 pounds. Choi is 7-foot-2 and weighs 353 pounds. Choi landed a flurry of blows to Akebono's head, stopping him with eight seconds left in the first round. Akebono was battered and helpless as Choi mercilessly landed punch after punch. Akebono's K-One record dropped to 1-and-7 with the last two losses to Choi, who improved to 4-and-0. K-One combines elements of kickboxing, karate and taekwondo. In the co-main event, Hilo's B.J. Penn won a unanimous decision over Renzo (Hen'-zo) Gracie of Brazil in a mixed martial arts event. Both fighters weighed in at 185 pounds. Penn is now 10-2-1, while the 38-year-old Gracie's record slipped to 10-6-1. In an eight-man K-1 heavyweight tournament, Gary Goodridge of Trinidad and Tobago scored a first-round knockout over Hilo's Wesley "Cabbage" Correira. Goodridge went on to win the 2005 K-1 Grand Prix Hawaii tournament. In the undercard bouts -- Michihisa Asano of Tokyo choked Steven Okano of Hilo into submission in the first round; Riki Fukuda of Tokyo stopped Honolulu's Brandon Wolff in the second round and Honolulu's Mike Malone outpointed Dustin Hanning of California. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] http://www.ScientificWrestling.com/letter_from_karl.htm Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting... Many will know of Karl Gotch as one of that last of the real 'hookers (no not that kind). A hooker is one of the old style wrestlers, you know the real kind. A fellow by the name of Matt Furey, formerly of here in San Jose, CA, continues to make $$ of of Karl Gotch's good name. Now think back to our old 'friend' chubby grandmaster wannabe from down Florida way. Remember had an ad on Furey's website about what a great program Furey had. Now go read the letter from Karl Gotch himself about Furey at: http://www.ScientificWrestling.com/letter_from_karl.htm it is no wonder the two of them (Furey and grandmaster wannabe) got together. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:33:03 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: jakskru(god, I miss Craig Stovall) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I likewise miss this gentleman's humorous and informative postings. If anyone knows where he is, could we somehow rattle his chain and entice him to perhaps augment the sometimes droll content of our postings? Respectfully, George" whose butt is still sore from Craig's workout" --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest