Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 03:01:08 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #317 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: pushands (Beungood8@aol.com) 2. two main energy meridians (Don Kirsch) 3. Vital points (Bob Banham) 4. RE: The heart meridian (Howard Spivey) 5. Re: RE: The heart meridian (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Vital points (Jye nigma) 7. video clips (Jye nigma) 8. From a site: King of TKD? (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:59:25 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: pushands Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/5/2005 7:05:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Ok here a clip of a free style push hands demonstration. In this clip you will see the skills of sticking, following, joining and borrowing energy..ect that was kind of cool --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 06:10:56 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] two main energy meridians Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote about the two main energy meridians...with all due respect look at some acupuncture or Chinese Medicine textbooks because the article you posted is not correct in regards to meridian names or exact correct point locations. The article you posted is correct as related to point names and point indications. However the meridians the author is describing are not the Heart and Spinal Meridians. The vessel or meridians described are two of the Extraordinary Meridians: the Ren and the Du . The meridian described as the Heart Meridian is known in Chinese as the Ren Mai sometimes called in western terms the Directing Vessel or Conception Meridian . The one called the Spinal Meridian is the Du Mai, also known as Governing Vessel or Meridian . Without going into boring details the article is correct as to the importance of these particular meridians . All the Extraordinary Vessels (and in particular these two) act as reservoirs for energy for the main 12 Yin/Yang Meridians . They also derive their energy from the Kidneys, which is important in circulating what the Chinese refer to as the Kidney Essence through out the body. Two books I can suggest are: The Foundations of Chinese Medicine by Giovanni Maciocia . This book is used in many acupuncture schools as the introductory textbook. A book more applicable to martial artist is Essential Anatomy, for Healing & Martial Arts by Marc Tedeschi . A very basic book which has great charts and tables giving the point names in Chinese, Korean and Japanese. It also gives a brief relationship to the location of points and the corresponding Western nerve and neural system functions. Regards and respect, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:20:53 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Vital points Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Korean names for these points are on our website at http://www.chilsong.com/Welcome/Menu Items/Traditional Healing/Points.htm Most points in Chinese/Korean medicine/martial arts have a dual and complementary effect (um/yang) depending on how they are stimulated. For example as Jye says, the point Ren-zhong (Korean-In Joong I think) can be struck to cause unconsciousness but it is also a revival point. I have revived several unconscious people using this point either with acupuncture or acupressure. In the olden days of sailing ships they would bury people at sea in a canvas shroud and the last stitch would go through this point in case the 'corpse' was in fact still alive! Bob --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:26:59 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The heart meridian Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is simply incorrect. The heart meridian runs from the armpit to just below the fingernail of the little finger. There are nine points along it; these are their Chinese names: jiquan, qingling, shaohai, ligdao, tongli, yinxi, shenmen, shaofu and shaochong. It does not run down the centerline of the body. Heart 1, in the armpit, is an excellent place to strike to disrupt the nervous system. There are Hapkido single-knuckle strikes and toe kicks that attack this point. You can confirm this by checking any accupuncture chart. There are meridians that run along the body's centerline, but the heart meridian is not one of them. "”Cãõ The Heart Meridian or Centerline You have always heard the sayings, "Guard your Centerline" & "Don't expose your Centerline" from your Teachers over & over again, without knowing why. Now you will know the reason. There are 24 acu-points in your centerline, where the heart meridian lies, carrying Ÿƒ 'chi' that sustains your being & your technique to your ’O“c 'Dan-tian' or chi center. This meridian channel can best be visualized by practicing Alternate Breathing. Hard blows to most of these acu-points will knock you out or kill you. The more prominent points include: Cheng-jiang - The point between your lower lip & the tip of your jaw. Will cause concussion if struck. Usually struck with the middle or fore knuckle fist. Lian-quan - The left and right of the Adam's apple. Will cause choking and death in a few minutes if struck. Usually struck with the index finger & the thumb. Tian-tu - The bottom of your throat, where the top ribs meet. Will cause suffocation and death. Usually struck with one knuckle or one finger thrust. Tan-zhong, Jiu-wei & Ju-que. Tanzhong is where the bottom ribs meet, Jiuwei & Juque are 7 & 6 inches above the navel respectively. Collectively called the solar plexus. Will cause breathlessness and unconsciousness if struck. It can be struck in many ways, but the fist is usually used. Shen-que & Qi-hai. Shenque is the navel, & Qihai 1.5 inch below it. Will cause circulatory and digestion disruptions if struck. Qu-gu, right above the base of the sexual organ. Will cause severe pain, unconsciousness, impotence if hit. Usually struck with a frontal toe or heel kick. Hui-yin, 2 fingers above the anus, the starting point of the heart meridian. In yoga terms it's called the 'kundalini', the 'base of the fire'. Will cause paralysis & severe shock if struck. Usually struck with the one knuckle fist in a ground fighting position, with the opponent's butt facing you that is." --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: The heart meridian To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net as strange as the article was the pics were even stranger, but I could not get them to show up in the email. Jye Howard Spivey wrote: This is simply incorrect. The heart meridian runs from the armpit to just below the fingernail of the little finger. There are nine points along it; these are their Chinese names: jiquan, qingling, shaohai, ligdao, tongli, yinxi, shenmen, shaofu and shaochong. It does not run down the centerline of the body. Heart 1, in the armpit, is an excellent place to strike to disrupt the nervous system. There are Hapkido single-knuckle strikes and toe kicks that attack this point. You can confirm this by checking any accupuncture chart. There are meridians that run along the body's centerline, but the heart meridian is not one of them. "”Cãõ The Heart Meridian or Centerline You have always heard the sayings, "Guard your Centerline" & "Don't expose your Centerline" from your Teachers over & over again, without knowing why. Now you will know the reason. There are 24 acu-points in your centerline, where the heart meridian lies, carrying Ÿƒ 'chi' that sustains your being & your technique to your ’O“c 'Dan-tian' or chi center. This meridian channel can best be visualized by practicing Alternate Breathing. Hard blows to most of these acu-points will knock you out or kill you. The more prominent points include: Cheng-jiang - The point between your lower lip & the tip of your jaw. Will cause concussion if struck. Usually struck with the middle or fore knuckle fist. Lian-quan - The left and right of the Adam's apple. Will cause choking and death in a few minutes if struck. Usually struck with the index finger & the thumb. Tian-tu - The bottom of your throat, where the top ribs meet. Will cause suffocation and death. Usually struck with one knuckle or one finger thrust. Tan-zhong, Jiu-wei & Ju-que. Tanzhong is where the bottom ribs meet, Jiuwei & Juque are 7 & 6 inches above the navel respectively. Collectively called the solar plexus. Will cause breathlessness and unconsciousness if struck. It can be struck in many ways, but the fist is usually used. Shen-que & Qi-hai. Shenque is the navel, & Qihai 1.5 inch below it. Will cause circulatory and digestion disruptions if struck. Qu-gu, right above the base of the sexual organ. Will cause severe pain, unconsciousness, impotence if hit. Usually struck with a frontal toe or heel kick. Hui-yin, 2 fingers above the anus, the starting point of the heart meridian. In yoga terms it's called the 'kundalini', the 'base of the fire'. Will cause paralysis & severe shock if struck. Usually struck with the one knuckle fist in a ground fighting position, with the opponent's butt facing you that is." _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Vital points To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net oh no, make no mistake, Jye didn't say....I shared an article about what the author felt was 2 main meridians. Jye Bob Banham wrote: The Korean names for these points are on our website at http://www.chilsong.com/Welcome/Menu Items/Traditional Healing/Points.htm Most points in Chinese/Korean medicine/martial arts have a dual and complementary effect (um/yang) depending on how they are stimulated. For example as Jye says, the point Ren-zhong (Korean-In Joong I think) can be struck to cause unconsciousness but it is also a revival point. I have revived several unconscious people using this point either with acupuncture or acupressure. In the olden days of sailing ships they would bury people at sea in a canvas shroud and the last stitch would go through this point in case the 'corpse' was in fact still alive! Bob _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net slow finger break: http://www.aztaekwondo.com/Videos/fngr_break.mpeg oops: http://www.aztaekwondo.com/Videos/oops_kick.mpeg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] From a site: King of TKD? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Grand Master Choi is a 9th Degree Black Belt. A True Grand Master and is king of Taekwondo. He has the health and body of a 30 year old man. Grand Master Choi also provides special private lessons. Sun Duk Choi was born in Gyeongsangbugdo, South Korea. He holds a 9th Degree Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do. He started studying Tae Kwon Do at the age of 10. Grand Master Choi first instructed Tae Kwon Do at the Chuncheon Police Academy in 1954. He next instructed at the U.S. Army 7th Division Headquarters in 1960 for which he received a letter of appreciation from Major General F.W. Boye, Jr., Commander of the 7th Division, on July 3rd, 1967. In 1967, Grand Master Choi took 1st place in the light weight division of the Korean National Tournament. In 1968, the next year, Grand Master Choi was the Grand Champion of the Korean National Tournament. In 1971, Grand Master Choi came to the U.S. and taught Tae Kwon Do to the California Police Academy. In September, 1971 he opened the Albuquerque, New Mexico Tae Kwon Do Association and began training the Albuquerque Police Homicide Team. In January, 1974 Grand Master Choi started the Arizona Tae Kwon Do Association. Mayor of Phoenix from 1976 to 1983, Margaret Hance, awarded Grand Master Choi the "Phoenix Award" in the late seventies. In 1980, Grand Master Choi toured the world in a Tae Kwon Do exhibition with General Choi and the Super Masters. Grand Master Choi is the founder of the International Tae Kwon Do Institute and President of the Arizona Tae Kwon Do Association. For special training, Grand Master Choi jogs 10 miles every Sunday. Grand Master Choi continues to teach 13 hours a day, 6 days a week. With this rigorous schedule, Grand Master Choi has the body and the health of a 30 year old man. Grand Master Choi wears his uniform and teaches 6 days a week, unheard of for a 9th degree Grand Master and Korean Grand Champion. He does this out of love for his art and dedication to its traditional practice. Grand Master Choi has been studying over 50 years, teaching for 40 years, and has been teaching the Martial Arts in the Phoenix area for over 25 years. Grand Master Choi loves American people and has always enjoyed teaching American people the true art of Taekwondo. Grand Master Choi is now teaching in his own building. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest