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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sul Sa Do (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Martial Arts Humor (Craig Zeigler) 3. RE back from hiatus (George Peters) 4. Billy Jack is Back (Jye nigma) 5. from another group: qi gong stuff (Don Kirsch) 6. Re: Martial Arts Humor (Edward Peters, III) 7. Re: Billy Jack is Back (dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org) 8. KHF Newsletter #2 (John Johnson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sul Sa Do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net alot of people say that "Supreme Grandmaster" Joo Bang Lee couldn't have possibly jumped on the band wagon of the ninja boom in the 70s because he wrote books about hwarangdo and sulsa in the 60s. But that means nothing because the time when he wrote his books (what was that 65?) Ninjutsu had already been spread to the US which was the early 60s. To me the whole story is bogus. a hermit mountain monk that taught 2 kids an entire martial system yet they go on to learn another system (hapkido). If I learned an entire system, I think I'd be trying to perfect what I know. I would at least spend time documenting what I learned. Then this hermit monk having taught no one else dies and they burn his living quarters, and they have no evidence that this monk even existed. Now this is what's funny to me...this monk learned the entire martial art system and no other monks learned it. That's fishy to me. For one, who taught the monk? Dr Lee says that the hwarang that knew the entire system retired to the mountains, became family men or monks....so it would seem to me that some families would have this martial art, and some temples would have this martial art, which would mean that more then 1 hermit monk would know this martial art system. I would think the art of sonmudo/sunmudo would even be closely related to this stuff the Lee brothers whipped up since it is supposed to have come from a monk. Oh man let me stop...I could go on for days! I just think that if you're gonna create your own martial art system do it and be proud that you could create a modern system. Why do people create stuff and then try to link it to the past? it's like if I created a stick fighting art and claimed lineage to the fiercesome zulu warriors. lol.... Jye aka....the Heavenly Supreme Grand Imperial Master Flash of the 10,000 year old african stick art...."beatyadownpunk-do" FirstPe315@aol.com wrote: Mark - I remember the same school. This was indeed right after the TKD Times article. Both the brothers were here and opened a school for a while. One of my friends wound up in there and the guy told him that he could be trained to be an Olympic TKD person if he wanted and that he could make it to the Olympics. (He had NEVER trained before). >From what he said, they started teaching Sul Sa Do to the over BB individuals, it was pretty much a "secret" until then. They're school burned out and I'm not sure where they went after that. However, I am quite proud that I was that close to Royalty. Jeff In a message dated 8/5/2005 4:03:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Back in the late 80's and early 90's, there was a Sulsado school in Cedar Mill(west of Portland, OR). I'm not sure whatever happened to them. They competed in many open and WTF tournaments and did ok. The students seemed a 'bit' too serious and elitist. I remember looking at the school and on the outside of the window was the name: Tae Lee's Superkarate Ninjitsu-dan blackbelt academy. He and his brother as I recall were on the cover of TKD Times? around the same time. -- Mark Gajdostik TNT-Martial Arts 503-887-9351 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:08:34 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Adam D. Huntley wrote: > * you say to the salesman in the men's store, "Nice pants, but I don't > think > I can kick in them." > > * when you want to say "I'm sorry" and involuntarily bow. > > * you go to the shoe store to try on shoes. > > * Instead of walking or jogging around the store, you practice pivoting, > sweeps, stances and kicks. > > * You check to see if the shoe has a sufficiently hard striking > surface and > whether it protects the toes well > > * and lastly, you don't even care if (and they probably are) the other > patrons are looking at you funny. (That's the big clue) > > * Now when every time you pass a wall you start to wonder:'Is that > structural or drywall?' THEN you know you've gone overboard. > > * When you hit your head on a low doorway or ceiling and kick it in anger > and _damage_ it. > > * "GAK! NO! The *left* side of the bathrobe goes on top...." > > * "What was I doing in my office when I was spinning around and > flailing my > arms and legs? Ahhhhhmmmmmmm....." > > * when you're practicing your arm blocks while driving down the highway, > notice someone in another car staring at you, and suddenly turn your > block > into vigorously fanning away an imaginary fly > > * when you use various strikes to turn lights off and on; > > * don your clothing with kicks, thrusts, and punches > > * open and close doors with spinning kicks > > * find yourself idly doing iaido and kenjitsu moves with the plastic > knives > at the fast food place > > * can't walk by anybody else from your school without casually > exchanging a > flurry of mock strikes and kicks > > * haven't gotten over the phase of seeing everybody walking around with a > blanket of little red cross-hairs on all their vital spots > > * leap to your feet and shriek with indignation while watching "Kung Fu", > "Walker, Texas Ranger", and "Highlander" at home > > * deliberately go to see martial arts movies in the theater so you can > leap > to your feet and shriek with indignation during the movie, out in the > parking lot, and with all your friends the next time you're at class > > * find yourself practicing bo staff techniques in miniature with your > pencil > during dull meetings > > * try to backfist the correct floor button on the inside of the elevator, > based on your memory of the button's location, before you get in far > enough > to see it > > * notice you never stand with your arms crossed or your hands in your > pockets > > * tend to keep at least one flavour of martial arts weapon close at > hand by > your bed when you sleep > > * buy shoes either because they're particularly flexible or have steel > toes > > * have at least one fantasy where you are a martial arts hero and end the > fight by saying something *so* cool that you make Arnold Shwarzenegger > and > Clint Eastwood look like nervous chatterboxes > > <---snip---> Thank you for this one. I needed a good laugh. The scary part is I can say with total honesty that I have done around 50%of these things... not the least of which is sleep with katanas over my bed, stars under it, and have them in perfect placement to facilitate correct movements. Also, how many tend to use kicks to turn lights on and of and open/close doors... another one I do constantly. -Craig Zeigler --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:49:15 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE back from hiatus Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Welcome back. Where the heck ya been? Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Billy Jack is Back Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.billyjack.com/index.php?menuID=Page&pid=109 NY Times Article Reprint - Monday, June 20, 2005 Billy Jack is Ready to Fight the Good Fight Again By Sharon Waxman SANTA ROSA VALLEY, Calif. - It has been more than 30 years, but Billy Jack is still plenty ticked off. Back then, it was bigotry against Native Americans, trouble with the nuclear power industry and big bad government that made this screen hero explode in karate-fueled rage. At the time, the unlikely combination of rugged-loner heroics - all in defense of society's downtrodden and forgotten - and rough-edged filmmaking sparked a pop culture and box-office phenomenon. Now the man who created and personified Billy Jack, Tom Laughlin - the writer, director, producer and actor - is determined to take on the establishment again, and his concerns are not so terribly different. Mr. Laughlin (and therefore Billy Jack) is angry about the war in Iraq and about the influence of big business in politics. And he still has a thing for the nuclear power industry. "I'm going to say a lot of egregious things," Mr. Laughlin, 73, announced at the start of an interview at his home here in the rolling horse country east of Los Angeles. His face is creased with deep lines, his hair a bleached gray, but he is still entirely recognizable as the handsome Billy Jack. "We despise both political parties, really loathe them," he said. ("We" might be Mr. Laughlin and his alter ego, or it might include his wife, Delores Taylor, who played Billy Jack's pacifist partner, Jean; but one doesn't interrupt the man lightly.) "We the people have no representative of any kind," he continued. "It's now the multinationals. They've taken over. It's no different than the 70's, but it's gotten worse. And if you use words like 'impeachment' or 'fascist' you're a nut on a soapbox." So Mr. Laughlin and Ms. Taylor are planning to bring their characters back to the big screen with a new $12 million sequel, raising money from individuals just as they did to make their films three decades ago. In this new film, they say, they will take on social scourges like drugs, and power players like the religious right. They say they will also outline a way to end the current war and launch a political campaign for a third-party presidential candidate. They have already formed a 527 nonprofit committee with the aim of ending the war, and say they will run full-page ads in major newspapers beginning next month explaining their plan to withdraw from Iraq. (Money raised for that committee is separate from the film project.) "We both have our reasons for doing this," said Ms. Taylor, who joined the conversation midway through. "Mine is for our children - we have three - and four grandchildren. I feel right now America is in a big, big problem. I feel America is falling apart." "We're not delusional," Mr. Laughlin added. "We'd disappeared from the business. We devoted our time to psychology and religion, teaching and lecturing. We're not wealthy retired people. We're surviving, we're fine." Still, at least one industry veteran who worked briefly with Mr. Laughlin said he thought the filmmaker would not be successful. "'Billy Jack' had a huge impact on me," said Gavin Polone, a television producer who made "Revelations," on NBC this past season, and who approached Mr. Laughlin years ago about making a sequel to his trademark film. But, he said, Mr. Laughlin was unwilling to work within the Hollywood system, and his new project would probably suffer as a result. "You can work inside the business and try to figure it out, get good writers, build your career," Mr. Polone said. "Or you can say: 'I'm smarter than everyone else. I'll make my own movies, finance them' - and you're never heard from again." But three decades ago Mr. Laughlin defied the odds and made his mark on movie history with his homegrown tale "Billy Jack" and the sequel "The Trial of Billy Jack." The films unexpectedly connected with audiences during the social miasma of Vietnam and Watergate, but also had an impact on Hollywood marketing and distribution techniques." He was the model for Rambo, for 'Walking Tall,' " said Robert Sklar, professor of cinema studies at New York University. "When you think of what 'Rocky' meant for the culture - Laughlin was ahead of all that. He represented the indomitable outsider, and he was the first one in that era. It was also true in the sense in which he fought to make the film, and fought to get it distributed with this terrific idea of self-releasing." Because exhibitors were reluctant to gamble on "Billy Jack" in 1971, Mr. Laughlin pioneered what is known as four-walling a theater: renting space from theater owners and collecting the box-office profits. He said he hired Mormons all around the country to work the ticket booths, figuring they could be trusted with the cash, and the film took in an astonishing $32.5 million. With the sequel in 1974, Mr. Laughlin spent $3 million, then a huge sum, on advertising to promote the film. He demanded cash upfront from exhibitors for the right to show it, and opened in 1,000 theaters, defying industry conventions of the time. The first week of box-office sales resulted in a banner headline in Variety: "Billy's Sequel's Grand $11 Mil Preem; Tom Laughlin Stuns Old Film Biz Pros." After that, he suffered some setbacks. He sank millions into a film distribution company that became a money pit. A second sequel, "Billy Jack Goes to Washington," about corruption in the nuclear industry, was made in 1976 but never made it into theaters. Mr. Laughlin said the film was blackballed under pressure from politicians involved with nuclear power. Another sequel, this one about child pornography, had to be shut down during production when Mr. Laughlin was injured on the shoot and unable to finish filming. Later he developed tongue cancer, now in remission. Then in 2002 Mr. Laughlin made a deal with the film company Intermedia for the rights to make yet another sequel. That endeavor ended in a lawsuit, though he eventually got the rights back in 2004. After that experience, Mr. Laughlin says he is done with the Hollywood studios, and back where he is most comfortable: as an outsider. When the new film is finished, which will be early next year if financing materializes, he will seek an independent or major distributor to release it, as with "The Passion of the Christ." Ms. Taylor said: "This is something we have to do. We don't know if it will be successful, but we're committed. We have to do it. Just like 'Billy Jack.' " --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:41:16 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: qi gong stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote (or posted?) the tread about "from another group: qi gong stuff" . Sorry Jye I'm not trying to pick on you but this is really not very good Qi Gong and the palm striking is using distance to generation the power not Qi or Ki energy. True Ki strikes can originate from a much shorter distance. If you watch the video the guy is draw his hand back pretty far. As some one who has spent some time studying Qi Gong under the training of a legitimate teacher (i.e. Master) I challenge you to seek out a real Qi Gong Master to watch them practice. There is grace and beauty in their movement. The guy in the video is strong and powerful but his movement is somewhat strained. Look at his face. Most Qi Gong is practiced with a slight smile on the face. It's also kind of annoying to hear (read) people call others "fools". "The wise man always appears a fool and the eagle always retracts his claws before striking" ...Chinese proverb Regards and respect, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:12:37 -0500 From: "Edward Peters, III" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I almost always close my front door with a turning back kick. I have also been working on kicks to turn lights on and off. A front kick to turn them on and an axe kick to turn them off. My old Judo instructor told me he knew he was bad when he started using ground techniques to roll over in bed. And yeah I would say I do about 50% from that list as well. lol Edward > > Thank you for this one. I needed a good laugh. The scary part is I can > say with total honesty that I have done around 50%of these things... > not the least of which is sleep with katanas over my bed, stars under > it, and have them in perfect placement to facilitate correct movements. > > Also, how many tend to use kicks to turn lights on and of and > open/close doors... another one I do constantly. > > -Craig Zeigler > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:09:14 -0500 From: dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Billy Jack is Back Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I take it then his new movie won't have him displaying his martial arts prowess, kicking the "religious right's" drug dealers butts? Bummer. :P JKN Dean Quoting Jye nigma : > http://www.billyjack.com/index.php?menuID=Page&pid=109 > > NY Times Article > Reprint - Monday, June 20, 2005 [snip] --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:00:14 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF Newsletter #2 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Martial Artists: Attached is the second KHF newsletter. If you wish you join the official mailing list, please send a blank email to khfnewsletter@yahoo.com with the subjec entitled ADD TO LIST. Hapki! 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