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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: from another group: qi gong stuff (Jye nigma) 2. Grandmaster Timmerman's Ultimate Seminar (Kevin Janisse) 3. Re: Martial Arts Humor (Jay O'Connor) 4. Re: KHF Newsletter #2 (Ray) 5. RE: Dojang in Herndon (Michael Drake) 6. Re: Billy Jack is Back (Jye nigma) 7. Billy Jack advertisements? (yuribeast@aol.com) 8. Re: KHF Newsletter #2 (masterm1) 9. RE back from hiatus (Stovall, Craig) 10. Self Defense @ 57 (dugy01) 11. qi gong stuff (J R Hilland) 12. RE: Billy Jack is Back (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] from another group: qi gong stuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The brother in the videos is sifu Novell G Bell. He is a BaguaZhang instructor. Now his main focus in the martial arts is fighting. He says that most internal stylists can't use their art to fight in realtime. He calls what they do dancing, and claims to have crosshands with many and many qi gong experts only to find that he whooped their tails (as stated by him and some teachers that taught him and seen him in action). Now his feelings about qi to me is unclear. He said he doesn't believe in "chinese superman" stories or in things such as empty force. He does openly invite people who think they can use their art in real time sparring/fighting to do so with him in NY. My snake fist teacher was also a qi gong master so I have my ideas/reasonings which many times are different then brother Novells, and from time to time we bump heads on certain things...lol. You can view his website at www.blacktaoist.com Jye Don Kirsch wrote: Jye nigma wrote (or posted?) the tread about "from another group: qi gong stuff" . Sorry Jye I'm not trying to pick on you but this is really not very good Qi Gong and the palm striking is using distance to generation the power not Qi or Ki energy. True Ki strikes can originate from a much shorter distance. If you watch the video the guy is draw his hand back pretty far. As some one who has spent some time studying Qi Gong under the training of a legitimate teacher (i.e. Master) I challenge you to seek out a real Qi Gong Master to watch them practice. There is grace and beauty in their movement. The guy in the video is strong and powerful but his movement is somewhat strained. Look at his face. Most Qi Gong is practiced with a slight smile on the face. It's also kind of annoying to hear (read) people call others "fools". "The wise man always appears a fool and the eagle always retracts his claws before striking" ...Chinese proverb Regards and respect, Don Kirsch _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:13:40 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Timmerman's Ultimate Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On August 20th, (In only 11 day's) Grandmaster Timmerman will be in Portland, OR for the "West Coast NKMAA Martial Arts Seminar". We have people coming from all over the US and Canada for this awesome experience. These are the styles that will benefit: ALL OF THEM, (why leave somebody out?). As a special treat this year we will be doing live blade handling and cutting...You don't want to miss this! Also, on Friday night we will be having an advanced BB seminar for the instructors...We only have room for 3 more so RSVP your position ASAP. For more information goto: www.nkma.us and click on the "Upcoming NKMAA events". Saturday, Aug 20th is going to be a great day. We look forward to you joining us. If you can not make the West Coast Seminar, GM Timmerman will be in Florida on Aug 27th. Sincerley, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:12:05 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Edward Peters, III wrote: > I almost always close my front door with a turning back kick. > I have also been working on kicks to turn lights on and off. > A front kick to turn them on and an axe kick to turn them off. > My old Judo instructor told me he knew he was bad when he > started using ground techniques to roll over in bed. And yeah > I would say I do about 50% from that list as well. lol I use snap kicks, cresent kicks, sidekicks and roundhouse kicks to close cabinet doors (which kick I use depends on what angle/direction/height of the door). I use hook kicks to close the front door, or sidekicks or spinning back kicks (depening on how far the door is open) A spinning back to to press the flush handle on a urinal in the men's room is an excellent practice in aim and control. Not really kicks, but I use my feet to turn water faucets on and off, as well as light switches Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KHF Newsletter #2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Dear Martial Artists: Attached is the second KHF newsletter. If you wish > you join the official mailing list, please send a blank email to > khfnewsletter@yahoo.com with the subject entitled ADD TO LIST. Hapki! > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a > name of KHF Newsletter #2.pdf] Hi John, Sorry, but all attachments are automagically removed to eliminate the possibility of sending a virus to the subscriber base. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Drake" To: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:21:03 -0400 Organization: FitzDrake Search, Inc. Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Dojang in Herndon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I would recommend Jeff Smith in Sterling(21800 Towncenter Plz # 263, Sterling, 20164 - (703) 450-4422), which is right next to Herndon.. You may have heard of Jeff as he was a 7 time World Light Heavy Weight Karate Champion... Anywho, hope to see you there Michael --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:38:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Billy Jack is Back To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net think he can still throw that le at 73? he might I guess. Jye dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org wrote: I take it then his new movie won't have him displaying his martial arts prowess, kicking the "religious right's" drug dealers butts? Bummer. :P JKN Dean Quoting Jye nigma : > http://www.billyjack.com/index.php?menuID=Page&pid=109 > > NY Times Article > Reprint - Monday, June 20, 2005 [snip] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:13:30 -0400 From: yuribeast@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Billy Jack advertisements? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not that I "disliked" the original movies in particular, however I thought this group's intention was to discuss issues involving Korean Martial Arts, not karatie movie promotions, unless someone is going to say Billy Jack fought with some obscure Korean fighting style? Are we gonna start posting reviews about Jackie Chan's latest next? Also, just the link to the review would have been sufficient don'tcha think? Sorry for getting agrivated. Barry --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "masterm1" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KHF Newsletter #2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:17:14 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir I would really like to see the news letter. If there is any other way to get it please let me know. Hapki! Kennith Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KHF Newsletter #2 > > Dear Martial Artists: Attached is the second KHF newsletter. If you wish > > you join the official mailing list, please send a blank email to > > khfnewsletter@yahoo.com with the subject entitled ADD TO LIST. Hapki! > > > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a > > name of KHF Newsletter #2.pdf] > > > Hi John, > > Sorry, but all attachments are automagically removed to eliminate the > possibility of sending a virus to the subscriber base. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:27:38 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE back from hiatus Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Ummmm...had to take a little time out from the list, and take an inventory of what IS and what IS NOT important in my life. You know it's time for a break when you send off a post, and then five minutes later you ask yourself, "Ok, was that REALLY worth getting that worked up about?" Anyhoo... I am back and will try to inject a little on-topic humor from time-to-time. Also, if anybody wants to talk conditioning for martial arts please feel free to rattle off a post knowing that I will whole heartedly jump into the discussion. That seems to be where my head has been for the last 12-months, and it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. So, I am back...for better or worse. "Welcome baaaack, your dreams were your ticket out..." --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "dugy01" To: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:27:47 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense @ 57 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, Well this is from the 57 yo that began taking TKD for self defense. After reaching Camo belt a few months ago, I decided for a self defense course, TKD didn't cut it. I've found TKD to be more of a sport, competition, form. I was aching for a self defense course and I finally have found it in Combat Hapkido. This MA course is strictly self defense, always a one on one fighting course and I am learning quickly. Where TKD Taught me 6 self defense moves in 6 months as I worked my way to Camo belt, yet in 2 months with Combat Hapkido, I've just earned my Yellow belt and have learned at least 6 self defense moves and 3 rolls. I am very pleased with Combat Hapkido and would recommend it as the only self defense course for someone wanting to learn a self defense course quickly. I am now more confident and assured of myself and I've already seen moves at the Green belt level that I can';t wait to learn. The moves are all very easy to learn and prove very effective as they have been taught to the military, the police just to name a few sources. Thank you all for your ideas, comments, training tips, etc. Sincerely, Doug Macduff Camo Belt - TKD Yellow Belt - Combat Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:29:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] qi gong stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to agree with Don. This fellows technique is way off base. Jye, maybe you could consider only posting the good stuff. Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com Jye nigma wrote (or posted?) the tread about "from another group: qi gong stuff" . Sorry Jye I'm not trying to pick on you but this is really not very good Qi Gong and the palm striking is using distance to generation the power not Qi or Ki energy. True Ki strikes can originate from a much shorter distance. If you watch the video the guy is draw his hand back pretty far. As some one who has spent some time studying Qi Gong under the training of a legitimate teacher (i.e. Master) I challenge you to seek out a real Qi Gong Master to watch them practice. There is grace and beauty in their movement. The guy in the video is strong and powerful but his movement is somewhat strained. Look at his face. Most Qi Gong is practiced with a slight smile on the face. It's also kind of annoying to hear (read) people call others "fools". "The wise man always appears a fool and the eagle always retracts his claws before striking" ...Chinese proverb Regards and respect, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:21:07 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Billy Jack is Back Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Billy Jack is back!!! Ohhhhhhhh, snap! Happy day, happy day, my brothers and sisters!!!!!!!! Ya know, I was born in 1970 (yes, I'm older than I act), and Billy Jack was probably one of my first "martial arts memories". I can vividly remember sitting in my living room floor next to my Dad on the couch (he was always on the couch for some reason, hmmmm), and watching Billy Jack beat up those guys in the park in front of the ice cream parlor. It was like watching something from out of this world. Of course, it wasn't until years later that I realized that these movies actually had some sort of a message. I'm still not so sure exactly what the message is supposed to be, but I'm pretty sure there's a message in there somewhere. Yeah, when I was a kid I just thought that Billy Jack was some crazy dude that liked to hang out with hippies and kick "the man" upside his big 10-gallon head. Ahhhh, the halcyon days of youth. Good times...good times. I know everybody's favorite scene is probably the one where he tells the guy, "I'm gonna take this right foot..." and then proceeds to beat up 8 or 10 guys. Or, at least Bong Soo Han proceeded to beat up 8 or 10 guys. That was pretty neat. However, MY favorite scene is the one where busts into the bedroom of the guy that had raped Billy Jack's lady friend, and straight up "croddy chopped" him Ric Flair style (WHOOOOOOO!!!) across the chest. Killed him dead...right thurrr. One shot, one kill...HIYAAAAHHHH!!! Now that's OLDE SKOOL style right there, ya'll. No wasted motion. Just pick 'em up and set 'em down. That's how Billy Jack did it. So, now they're going to make another Billy Jack movie. I think that's going to be a big mistake if Laughlin tries to reprise the role himself. I mean, let's be honest. Billy Jack had a message (at least that's what I keep telling myself), but everybody loved Billy Jack because when the time was right, and all the talking and all the hunger strikes and all the dope parties down at the hippie commune failed to bring about the necessary changes...then Billy just BROUGHT it...and he brought it with KARATE!!! You know what I mean people? So I REALLY think they need to go with a younger actor than Laughlin. I'm thinking Burt Reynolds or Robert Duvall would be good... Ok, time to wrap up this silliness. Here's my short list of who I think should play Billy Jack in the upcoming movie. 1. Henry Rollins. Why? Because it's HENRY ROLLINS! Duh!!! I'm sorry, but you either love or hate Rollins. He definitely has a physicality that translates well to the screen (he's a lifter and his neck is naturally bigger then my thighs), he's got the whole "counter-culture, pissed off" thing going, and he's got a big enough fan base that he could draw some box office on his own. Plus, being a musician he could record a song for the soundtrack. And, this time Billy Jack could do karate to some METAL instead of that crappy 'One Tin Soldier' song from the first movie. Oh great...now I've got that song stuck in my head. 2. Wesley Snipes. No, I didn't stutter, HATER! If DC Comics can turn the Green Lantern into a big, bad brother, then Billy Jack can come back as "Shaft for the Hippies". C'mon, think about it. He's athletic, he's got a great voice, and he's one of the best screen martial artists out there who can REALLY act. I think this is a great concept actually! Let's make this one a go! Oh wait, I don't run a major studio... 3. Brad Pitt. He's buff, he's popular, and he's good at playing an offbeat character (think '12 Monkeys' and 'Fight Club'). And...aaaaannnnd...he's from Missouri. Look, it's Brad Pitt...it's win-win all the way. 4. The Rock. No, on second thought he did the remake of 'Walking Tall'. Need I say more? 5. Ben Stiller. Just bear with me here...what if they made it like a comedy...real clever and tongue-in-cheek...Ben Stiller could be Billy Jack, Vince Vaughn could be the local corrupt politician, and Owen Wilson could put on a blonde wig and play Billy Jack's lady friend. Cuz let's be honest about something...Owen Wilson is WAY better looking than that chick. Oy!!! 6. Hugh Jackman. Wolverine...Van Helsing...Billy Jack...what's the difference? Same body count, different character. Jackman will bring in the women. Jessica Simpson plays the leader of the hippie daycare, and we've got a $100 million movie, folks. Believe that!!! 7. Keanu Reeves. Because let's be honest...if the money is right that man will play in ANYTHING. And last but not least... 8. Craig Stovall. Because he looks DAMN good in a denim jacket. Bam! Craig "The Silliness Continues" Stovall --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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