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Re: Re: Moving to Korea (Jay O'Connor) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:53:54 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial Arts Humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Stovall, Craig wrote: > You don't want to be discovered unconscious with > your head in the toilet. Hate it when that happens... --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:58:13 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial Arts Humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig Zeigler wrote: > Kevin Janisse wrote: >> “You axe kick or front kick the urinal handle in public restrooms” >> >> >> >> > Often this is much more sanitary than actually touching it with our > hands. I also open the door to exit said restroom in this manner (cause > many people don't wash their hands) Depends on which way the doors swings. Push kicks, back kicks and side kicks work well if the door opens out. Trying to hook your foot in the handle and pull toward you is a bit more of a challenge. Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:01:57 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gordon wrote: > Previously: "I almost always close my front door with a turning back kick." > > > > I don't mean to be a joy-kill about the door closing and other hand > movement done with the feet, because I get the urge all the time but, my > instructor looked down on this kind of behavior. Especially when > interacting with the students. My instructor strongly encourages not just kicks and strikes but doing all sorts of things with your feet and it improves balance and control. > I remember one time showing front stance to a new student and helping > them bend their front knee with a gentle press of my instep to the back of > their knee. My instructor immediately called me over to the side and > quietly explained that our feet are usually dirty and we shouldn't teach > with our feet. He also added that he didn't like the other students > arriving bare footed or wearing sandals to the Dojang, as they flip dirt and > dust up onto our feet and lower legs. This makes the floor of the Dojang > dirty quickly. Hmm...well I wear sandles all the time, and not just to class. In class, itt's a lot faster to get in and out. But I suppose Taekwondo is the wrong art to be doing of I'm worried about other people's dirty feet... Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Video Clips: old masters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hope I move this good when I et old: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Old-masters Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:21:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: moving to South Korea ~ mission work Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I honestly don't mean this disrespectfully, but I'm worried that is how it will be taken in text. In regard to moving to South Korea as a Christian Missionary I must admit the suggestion startled me. There are more Christians of various flavours here [I've lived in Korea for just short of 8 years now] than in most Western countries and they actively send missionaries abroad to educate *foreigners* about Christ. There are more neon crosses visible in the night sky of any city or town here than any other sign or sigil. I cannot help but wonder if the desire to come to Korea for mission work is not sourced more in a desire to be here [for KMA or other reasons] than in a desire to serve your church here. Just at random I entered "christians in Korea" on Google. Picking the first link without even looking at it's key point gives you a sense of what I mean. http://www.public.iastate.edu/~lightandlife/seoul2.htm Again - to be clear - my post is one of surprise at the thought that any christian group would consider Korea an area in need of missions work. I have no desire to be confrontational on this issue. In my personal, and only partially joking opinion, I think Korea ~ Seoul in particular ~ is more in need of Martial Arts missionaries than religious ones. The KMA scene can be more than a little bleak here. Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher hdgdforum.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Billy Jack is Back, thank god Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:51:23 -0400 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those of you DD readers; good MA movies boost enrollment by as much as 50%, The Karate Kid was responsible for more schools opening and thriving than any other movie since Kung Fu and David Caridine. Flat out it's good for business. So go Billy Jack Mark -----Original Message----- From: kdiwa@optonline.net [mailto:kdiwa@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:24 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Billy Jack is Back Keanu Reeves has already signed on to play Billy Jack in the new movie. Go to this link for the info. http://www.dealmemo.com/Content/March2002/News0305.htm Kevin F. Donohue Original Message: ----------------- From: Stovall, Craig CStovall@nucorar.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:21:07 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Billy Jack is Back Billy Jack is back!!! Ohhhhhhhh, snap! Happy day, happy day, my brothers and sisters!!!!!!!! Ya know, I was born in 1970 (yes, I'm older than I act), and Billy Jack was probably one of my first "martial arts memories". I can vividly remember sitting in my living room floor next to my Dad on the couch (he was always on the couch for some reason, hmmmm), and watching Billy Jack beat up those guys in the park in front of the ice cream parlor. It was like watching something from out of this world. Of course, it wasn't until years later that I realized that these movies actually had some sort of a message. I'm still not so sure exactly what the message is supposed to be, but I'm pretty sure there's a message in there somewhere. Yeah, when I was a kid I just thought that Billy Jack was some crazy dude that liked to hang out with hippies and kick "the man" upside his big 10-gallon head. Ahhhh, the halcyon days of youth. Good times...good times. I know everybody's favorite scene is probably the one where he tells the guy, "I'm gonna take this right foot..." and then proceeds to beat up 8 or 10 guys. Or, at least Bong Soo Han proceeded to beat up 8 or 10 guys. That was pretty neat. However, MY favorite scene is the one where busts into the bedroom of the guy that had raped Billy Jack's lady friend, and straight up "croddy chopped" him Ric Flair style (WHOOOOOOO!!!) across the chest. Killed him dead...right thurrr. One shot, one kill...HIYAAAAHHHH!!! Now that's OLDE SKOOL style right there, ya'll. No wasted motion. Just pick 'em up and set 'em down. That's how Billy Jack did it. So, now they're going to make another Billy Jack movie. I think that's going to be a big mistake if Laughlin tries to reprise the role himself. I mean, let's be honest. Billy Jack had a message (at least that's what I keep telling myself), but everybody loved Billy Jack because when the time was right, and all the talking and all the hunger strikes and all the dope parties down at the hippie commune failed to bring about the necessary changes...then Billy just BROUGHT it...and he brought it with KARATE!!! You know what I mean people? So I REALLY think they need to go with a younger actor than Laughlin. I'm thinking Burt Reynolds or Robert Duvall would be good... Ok, time to wrap up this silliness. Here's my short list of who I think should play Billy Jack in the upcoming movie. 1. Henry Rollins. Why? Because it's HENRY ROLLINS! Duh!!! I'm sorry, but you either love or hate Rollins. He definitely has a physicality that translates well to the screen (he's a lifter and his neck is naturally bigger then my thighs), he's got the whole "counter-culture, pissed off" thing going, and he's got a big enough fan base that he could draw some box office on his own. Plus, being a musician he could record a song for the soundtrack. And, this time Billy Jack could do karate to some METAL instead of that crappy 'One Tin Soldier' song from the first movie. Oh great...now I've got that song stuck in my head. 2. Wesley Snipes. No, I didn't stutter, HATER! If DC Comics can turn the Green Lantern into a big, bad brother, then Billy Jack can come back as "Shaft for the Hippies". C'mon, think about it. He's athletic, he's got a great voice, and he's one of the best screen martial artists out there who can REALLY act. I think this is a great concept actually! Let's make this one a go! Oh wait, I don't run a major studio... 3. Brad Pitt. He's buff, he's popular, and he's good at playing an offbeat character (think '12 Monkeys' and 'Fight Club'). And...aaaaannnnd...he's from Missouri. Look, it's Brad Pitt...it's win-win all the way. 4. The Rock. No, on second thought he did the remake of 'Walking Tall'. Need I say more? 5. Ben Stiller. Just bear with me here...what if they made it like a comedy...real clever and tongue-in-cheek...Ben Stiller could be Billy Jack, Vince Vaughn could be the local corrupt politician, and Owen Wilson could put on a blonde wig and play Billy Jack's lady friend. Cuz let's be honest about something...Owen Wilson is WAY better looking than that chick. Oy!!! 6. Hugh Jackman. Wolverine...Van Helsing...Billy Jack...what's the difference? Same body count, different character. Jackman will bring in the women. Jessica Simpson plays the leader of the hippie daycare, and we've got a $100 million movie, folks. Believe that!!! 7. Keanu Reeves. Because let's be honest...if the money is right that man will play in ANYTHING. And last but not least... 8. Craig Stovall. Because he looks DAMN good in a denim jacket. Bam! Craig "The Silliness Continues" Stovall _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:57:51 +0800 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Moving to Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > It is with much anticipation and excitement that I annouce my family and I will > be moving to S. Korea as missionaries. I realize there are many non-christians on > the list, etc, but this is a great place to come for advice on other matters. As a > practicing martial artist, I am excited about moving to the "homeland". Anyone > willing to take the time to share with us info on living in country, I would much > appreciate it. Cities to live in, expenses, etc. We are jsut now raising the > support to go, so it will be a while. Thank you for your help, Grace and Peace, I live in Korea my self, and I wonder......do they need missionaries here??? There are at least two churches in every building.... If you could tell me where you will be heading, advice on where to practice will be a lot easier to give. If you come to Seoul, my teacher is a christian and a 9th dan as well....If you are interested in practicing, just drop me an email. -- mvg. Klaas Barends Dutch H.K.D Federation http://www.hapkido.nl/ International H.K.D Training Center http://www.sangmookwan.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "dugy01" To: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:17:10 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense @ 57 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, You said: From: "Stovall, Craig" "...what do you REALLY need at this stage in your life? The ability to defend yourself, or an activity that is physically challenging and promotes health?" I was looking for a self defense course. The ability to defend myself. I have found it with CH. It is more than I expected. I consider myself in fairly good shape, yes it does require mobility and cardio. I only want self defense and this is exactly what I am getting. It is physically challanging and I enjoy the workout, & the moves as defender. I do not want a sport... forms, etc.. I want to learn self defense - plain and simple. Regards, DougM --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:00:09 +1000 From: Gerard de Valence To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Organization: Faculty of DAB, UTS Subject: [The_Dojang] MA conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All I'd like to respond to Craig's call for MA conditioning routines, which I am also increasingly interested in (as one gets older you have to work both harder and smarter at this). For my workouts I have been using a variety of body weight exercises for the last 18 months, many similar to the squat/pushup one Craig provided. These are the two current routines. 1. Upper body 1 chinup/1 dip 2 chinups/2 dips 3 chinups/3 dips Rest and repeat Points: * chin from the break position (arms extended, not from a 90 degree bend), lift as high as possible over bar (typically chin for first sets then nose then eyes as sets progress) * do dips at an angle to work core, go as low as possible, chest down to bar height * rather than add a 4/4 to the routine, make lifts longer (lower to higher) and dips slow down fast up (good form rather than more reps) 2. Lower/upper 20 squats/20 pushups/20 sit-ups run through a pattern (usually Koryo) repeat 20s run through a WTF taeguk pattern (usually 8) 25 squats/25 pushups/25 sit-ups run through a WTF taeguk pattern (usually 7) 30 squats/30 pushups/30 sit-ups run through a WTF taeguk pattern (usually 6) 25 squats/25 pushups/25 sit-ups run through a WTF taeguk pattern (usually 5) 20 squats/20 pushups/20 sit-ups run through a WTF taeguk pattern (usually 4) 10 squats/10 pushups/10 sit-ups run through a WTF taeguk pattern (usually 3) Finish with WTF taeguk patterns 2 & 1 Points: * this version adds to 150 for each exercise but can be easily varied depending on fitness (or injury) level, so a 250 version has a 10-20-30-40-50-40-30-20-10 ladder, or a lighter version with a 5-10-15-20 etc. ladder can be used * I prefer the same number of squats and pushups, although Craig suggests a 2:1 ratio * You can reduce the sit-up component a bit if doing more (e.g.. the 50 squat/50 pushup versions of the ladder might not go past 30 situps) * active recovery during patterns, so these are light and fairly quick, any form of movement for around 1 min will do for this phase (bag work is good) Best Gerard -- UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER: This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:35:00 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Moving to Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas Barends wrote: >>It is with much anticipation and excitement that I annouce my family and I > > will > >>be moving to S. Korea as missionaries. I realize there are many > > non-christians on > >>the list, etc, but this is a great place to come for advice on other > > matters. As a > >>practicing martial artist, I am excited about moving to the "homeland". > > Anyone > >>willing to take the time to share with us info on living in country, I would > > much > >>appreciate it. Cities to live in, expenses, etc. We are jsut now raising > > the > >>support to go, so it will be a while. Thank you for your help, Grace and > > Peace, > > I live in Korea my self, and I wonder......do they need missionaries here??? > There are at least two churches in every building.... > > If you could tell me where you will be heading, advice on where to > practice will be a lot easier to give. > > If you come to Seoul, my teacher is a christian and a 9th dan as > well....If you are interested in practicing, just drop me an email. I'm kinda curious myself. My instructor mentioned that Korea has the highest per-captia population of Christians of any country. I guess if I felt a calling for missions work, that Korea would probably be my last choice. Now, if I wanted a Christian environment in which to study Korean Martial Arts, it would probably be high on my list of places to go if I wanted to go abroad. Take care, Jay --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest