Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:22:21 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #332 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Black eye... (Stovall, Craig) 2. Gol Gul Sa (Bob Banham) 3. Re: Hyung as a tool (Jye nigma) 4. RE: Matt Furey Exercises (Stovall, Craig) 5. Re: Gol Gul Sa (Jye nigma) 6. 'combat' Hapkido (Don Ross) 7. Lok's Hapkido - sifu (Brian Beach) 8. RE: Lok's hapkido school (Ali Alnasser) 9. Re: Hyung as a tool (dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org) 10. Re: Hyung as a tool (Tom Kennelly) 11. Re: Living in Korea, Golgul-sa temple (Jye nigma) 12. Craig and forms (George Peters) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:39:48 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Black eye... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I've said it before and I'll say it again...much in the same way that predators follow the herds, molestors will often gravitate toward vocations that give them access to the young and/or weak. This could include daycare worker, teacher, coach, counselor, bus driver, and (unfortunately) MA instructor. It's sad that you see so much of this. A male school teacher in my area of the country was just convicted of molesting a pre-teen boy. Another school teacher actually walked into the classroom while he was sodomizing the boy. He plea bargained down to a 9-year sentence. 9 years. If only I were in charge... --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:54:27 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gol Gul Sa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, We got up at 4am to meditate with the monks and trained with them in their martial art of sunmudo. A lot of taekyon influence - high kicks, very acrobatic. Their website is http://www.sunmudo.com/ Bob --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hyung as a tool To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was wondering if anyone has any video footage of kuk sool won forms? I'd luv to see some. They strike me as an art much like kung fu. Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:28:58 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Matt Furey Exercises Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<'Anybody have long-time experience doing the exercises Matt Furey recommends, especially the Royal Court (Hindu squats, Hindu push-ups and bridging)? Amazing results, long-term joint pain gone, stronger than ever???>>> The problem with Matt is that a lot of his "miracle testimonials" can be explained away by the "untrained syndrome". In other words, if you're a 57-year-old housewife who's been eating bon-bons for the last 30 years and consider vacuuming the den as hardcore cardio, then Hindu exercises will certainly seem like a miracle cure. Heck, anything works in the beginning. My experience is that there are better ways to exercise. I'm a big proponent of "heels on floor" squatting. Squatting with heels on floor activates and utilizes the hamstrings and glutes more as the prime movers, whereas Hindu squats are almost a quad isolator. The simple answer is that you should do both movements...and MORE. There are so many ways to condition the lower body with just your bodyweight...Hindu squats, heels on floor squats, lunges, dragon walks, pistols, side-to-side lunges, sumo squats, jumping squats, boot strappers, duck waddles, horse stance, front stance, wall sit...the list is only limited by one's imagination. To Matt's credit, he outlines a lot of different leg exercises in his materials, but he always comes back to the old line about "do the Royal Court, it's all you need". I just don't buy it. Variety is king. <<>> They actually help my knees, but I don't do them "to the wall" if you know what I mean. I consider them a great knee flexor and strengthener when done VERY slowly and with a LOT of muscular tension. When I go down into the Hindu I am actively flexing my hips and hams. It's like I'm pulling myself down with my legs. I pause at the bottom, and then again actively flex the entire lower body (quads, hips, glutes, hams) and let the muscular tension "power" my body upwards. The way I do the movement has a very "hydraulic" feel to it. Hard to explain, easy to show. I also keep the reps low on Hindus. Also, I only do them in conjunction with other leg work...never in isolation. I'm adamantly against this business of pumping out hundreds of Hindus like a puppet on a string. For high volume work, I recommend heels on the floor. As far as the bridging, the jury's still out for me. I love to bridge, but I do the "reverse pushup" variations. In other words, I'm bridging on my hands and feet, not on my head and feet. The stretch is incredible, and holding that static position builds a lot of strength throughout the entire body. The business of bridging all the way over on the forehead with no hand support...just doesn't pass the cost-benefit test for me. There are plenty safer ways to strengthen the neck, if you feel the need. <<>> You can do regular pushups and squats in the hotel as easy as the Hindu stuff. If you're able to take it with you, then I recommend getting a dumbbell or kettlebell for doing one-arm swings and snatches. You could do some pushups, squats, ab work, reverse pushup (hand bridge) and then finish up with the swings and snatches. That'll hit everything right there. You might also look into the "Naked Warrior" workout (I know I sound like a shill for Pavel, but the boy is good). It's like powerlifting, but you're only using your own bodyweight. Big switch from the high rep cals that most trainers are pushing. Good concepts that have carryover to one's martial arts practice. Again, good for a hotel workout. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:40:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gol Gul Sa To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net *feeling very jealous right now*...lol. yeah I think I shared a few sunmudo clips on this list. I'd like to venture to the temple sometime. They don't separate buddism from the art do they? Jye Bob Banham wrote: Jye, We got up at 4am to meditate with the monks and trained with them in their martial art of sunmudo. A lot of taekyon influence - high kicks, very acrobatic. Their website is http://www.sunmudo.com/ Bob _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:13:04 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] 'combat' Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Kennelly, Sir, My original post stated my 'limited exposure to Hapkido.' Never claimed otherwise. There does seem to be any number of semi-pro and professional charlatans in the Hapkido field, like all the other MA's. A long time ago, I heard Hapkido referred to as 'the old man's art' since it does NOT rely on strength, but rather technique. My 'limited' understanding of Hapkido is that there is little or no 'sport' application [ie tournaments, the Olympics, etc.], so I just have to wonder what makes 'combat' Hapkido different/more deadly or efficient from 'Hapkido?' Does JP have some magic formula, 'secret scroll,' or is it just marketing? Cause if there is some super-duper absolute pinnacle of empty-hand self-defense out there, sign me up! I also previously stated that the key was to practice a MA style long enough to become proficient. But I have found that right next door to 'combat' Hapkido is Tibetan Gopher Tossing. Not only is TGT the most butt-kicking MA to ever come out of Florida, er.. Tibet, but with the accelerated home-study course, I have reached 16th dan [Grand Exalted Poohbah] in only 6 weeks! Next week I am launching my very own 'Combat' Tibetan Gopher Tossing home study course, which is MUCH more efficient than all the other TGT schools. Mine will be the real-deal. Not available to minors. Join today! Just send $49.95 for a beautiful rank certificate suitable for framing! Well I hope you get the gist. Like Vince McMann of pro wrestling said, "For those who get it, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice." Apologies to Ray for the length . pil seung, Don Ross, 16th dan 'Combat' TGT In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use. - Achille Marozzo, 1536 [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Brian Beach Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:09:32 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Lok's Hapkido - sifu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Michael Lok is from Hong Kong . His brother Master Thomas Lok was a student of GM Jin Pal Kim in Hong Kong. The Lok brothers both immigrated to Canada. Thomas stayed in Regina, Michael moved to BC. I think the title has something to do with their heritage, Master Thomas Lok uses the title as well. Addressing GM Kim they use sifu and GM interchangeably. So its probably a hold over from the Hong Kong school as well. Also the majority of Master Michael's students are of Chinese decent. They also do the lion dance which none of the other Jin Pal Hapkido Schools do. You can take the boy out of Hong Kong... I found it strange at first, now I don't notice. Brian Beach --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Ali Alnasser Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:27:19 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Lok's hapkido school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What is the difference between using the term "sifu" and the English title "instructor"? Neither term is Korean, so why be concerned about him using a Chinese title? He is, after all, Chinese-Canadian. And also remember that British Columbia, and Vancouver in particular, has a huge Chinese population. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:41:28 -0500 From: dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hyung as a tool Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a couple links to some vids I've come across on the Kuk Sool Won of Alameda dojang's website. Looks like the first one is of a demo after 1st Degree Black Belt promotion. The form is Ki Cho Hyung (Basic Foundational Form - the white belt form). After that he does some techniques demonstrations: http://www.kuksoolwonofalameda.com/Movies/richpromo.html The second one is an oldie of someone performing Jung Gum Hyung (straight sword form): http://www.kuksoolwonofalameda.com/movies/circa1970.html I have a few vids, but unfortunately, they are on my PC that crashed over the weekend (motherboard zapped). I should have it back up and running in a few days, but they are big files and I don't have anyplace to host them. Maybe someone will voluteer to host them. :) I agree (a little biased!), Kuk Sool hyung are very beautiful, especially when women perform them. Something about the fluid, graceful movements that women seem to be able to do much more easily than men. :) JKN Dean Quoting Jye nigma : > I was wondering if anyone has any video footage of kuk sool won > forms? I'd luv to see some. They strike me as an art much like kung > fu. > > > > Jye --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hyung as a tool Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:06:09 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I use TKD poomse as a warm up to my Combat Hapkido class. I try to go through all of the Taeguek poomse as well as a few black belt forms twice before beginning the Combat Hapkido class. Once the instructor begins the Combat Hapkido class I am fairly well warmed up and ready to go. P.S. Combat Hapkido does not have Hyung therefore I rely on my previous training in TKD for the Hyung I practice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Hyung as a tool > Hello Craig: > FWIW, I find that hyung can be a wonderful tool to train both body and > mind in a "sport specific" manner. I tell my students to use forms in > slo mo, outside on uneven ground, all of them one after another (in four > directions) to work stamina, with full power, with great precision, and > any other useful way that comes to mind. Forms do, IMHO, not need to be > done just in one way, because using them in a variety of manner gives > this tool more flexibility. > > --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Living in Korea, Golgul-sa temple To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net YEah I'm not really interested in the temple, I'm more interested in the martial monks. Jye Klaas Barends wrote: Temple wise it isn't very special. It's just that if you go to Korea to see something very old, you won't find very much. Every plate mentions something like this: This temple/palace was build in 750 (a long time ago). Destroyed by the Japanese in 1595, rebuild and burned down again by the Japanese. The temple was again restored in 1973. But of course most people would go there for the martial arts, not just to see a nice temple. On Buddhist TV here, there is a Son monk sometimes teaching some kind of sunmudo stretching and other exercises. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:12:50 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Craig and forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Our org uses the forms as a conditioning tool and for many other things also. Just wished to comment on the fatigue thing: When a practictioner becomes tired, they become more relaxed and tend to work more efficiently, and for myself, this where I first started to move correctly. Respectfully, George --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest