Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:00:28 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #333 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: RE: Lok's hapkido school (Rick Clark) 2. Re: RE: Lok's hapkido school (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Lok's Hapkido - sifu (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:15:30 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Lok's hapkido school To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While I am sure there is a large community of Chinese in Vancouver, and the instructor may be Chinese, when teaching a Korean art people "tend" to use either the Korean name or the English equal vent (if English is the native language of the country). For example in Ju-jitsu, Judo, Karate, Aikido I would expect that students to use the term Sensei. If I were to go into a Hung Gar, Xing Yi, Pakua, Tai Chi Chuan, school I would expect they would use Sifu. Likewise in a TKD or HKD school you would expect them to use Sa Bom Nim. I was told about a "TKD" school where the instructor called the place he worked out a "dojo" and when questioned why it was not called Dochang, he did not know what a dochang was. So from my point of view when you mix up terms it can raise a red flag. Rick Clark - "We can learn even from our enemies." Ovid (43 BC-17 AD) www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Ali Alnasser [mailto:sunmukwan@mac.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:27 AM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Lok's hapkido school > > >What is the difference between using the term "sifu" and the English >title "instructor"? Neither term is Korean, so why be concerned about >him using a Chinese title? He is, after all, Chinese-Canadian. >And also >remember that British Columbia, and Vancouver in particular, >has a huge >Chinese population. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Lok's hapkido school To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was wondering if he was chinese. The difference would be in one's native tongue. If I'm studying a Korean martial art I'd address the instructor by the proper korean title, or a title in my native tongue. I mean seriously, why would I (a black man) studyin a korean art call the instructor a title outside of my native tongue or his? lol. picture this...we're in class I ask a question he answers and I say thanks amigo...lol. now if I spoke another language in combination to my native tongue then it would be understandable...otherwise it could be viewed as unnecessary, or even disrespectful. Jye Ali Alnasser wrote: What is the difference between using the term "sifu" and the English title "instructor"? Neither term is Korean, so why be concerned about him using a Chinese title? He is, after all, Chinese-Canadian. And also remember that British Columbia, and Vancouver in particular, has a huge Chinese population. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Lok's Hapkido - sifu To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net it makes all the sense in the world now. it's like if a mexican refers to you as buddy in english or amigo. It's their native tonue. nothing wrong with that. I wonder if they studied kung fu as well. The dragon dance has to do with his culture so that's not surprising either. Jye Brian Beach wrote: Master Michael Lok is from Hong Kong . His brother Master Thomas Lok was a student of GM Jin Pal Kim in Hong Kong. The Lok brothers both immigrated to Canada. Thomas stayed in Regina, Michael moved to BC. I think the title has something to do with their heritage, Master Thomas Lok uses the title as well. Addressing GM Kim they use sifu and GM interchangeably. So its probably a hold over from the Hong Kong school as well. Also the majority of Master Michael's students are of Chinese decent. They also do the lion dance which none of the other Jin Pal Hapkido Schools do. You can take the boy out of Hong Kong... I found it strange at first, now I don't notice. 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