Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:01:30 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #339 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: John Pellegrini Bashing (Ray) 2. Re: John Pellegrini Bashing (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Re: ICHF material (tkdtom) 4. Re: Huff (Beungood8@aol.com) 5. Re: Dojang in Herndon, VA ? (Mksh53@aol.com) 6. hapkido (J R Hilland) 7. The Government controlling Martial Art Corruption (Jye nigma) 8. Re: hapkido (Tom Kennelly) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] John Pellegrini Bashing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fortunately I do not believe there has been any bashing what-so-ever of JP. Just an open and honest exchange of information. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:48:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] John Pellegrini Bashing To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think the thing to remember is people are going to talk...period. If he was a sole inheritor of a system, or if he learned and mastered traditional hapkido, someone somewhere would have something bad to say about him. Or you, or me, or anyone on this forum. I'd say let people talk...eventually if the man is the real deal, he'll be standing tall when the smoke clears. Jye JOHNMAUSA@aol.com wrote: I am not sure who, when, why or how the John Pellegrini bashing got started on our kindly discussion panel. For the past few days, I have been reading numerous comments concerning Pelligirin's hapkido abilities and/or his commercial success. The thing that seems to be worrying most here, is the name that Pellegrini chose for his system. Combat Hapkido appears to cut deep in the craw of some of the bashing contributors. As a martial artist of 53 years, I have had the pleasure of a strong relationship with JP for a number of years. I have both trained with, taught and shared martial arts techniques with JP for many years. I have always found JP to be a complete gentleman who possesses strong moral character and extreme dedicated to the arts and his I.C.H.F organization. JP does not bad mouth other martial arts systems, organizations or individuals in the arts. He just deals with his own members, teaching more seminars a year than any martial arts master that I know, and is very financially successful at what he does. If John Pellegrini can afford full page ads in the martial arts publications, more power to him! There are few martial arts masters around today, who have appeared on the front cover of out leading martial arts magazines as many times as JP. He has also had countless numbers of feature articles published about him in the same magazines. And "NO," JP did not pay to have those articles printed! We should allow JP to live and teach his system in peace. Every student under the I.C.H.F. system loves him like a father. I respect JP as a friend and fellow martial artist. John E. Chambers Founder / President Martial Arts USA --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "tkdtom" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: ICHF material Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:18:03 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry for not being clear. When I asked for specifics such as date, time.... I was referring to this statement "I know someone who experienced JP a few years back in a one on one confrontation calling his bluff so to speak and he didn't fare to well." I was not referring to GM P's lineage. Again, sorry for the confusion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: ICHF material >> ... How about adding some times, dates, >> witnesses, and etc to supposed events like you have described below. > > Dates and times for "Gm" P? That is already available in the list > archives. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:48:59 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Huff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/18/2005 5:03:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: In fact, I sat out the rest of the session because I just didn't feel "all there". I certainly didn't feel good or high. Strange. Bring back the good old days when we just huffed gasoline like civilized people ROFLMAO! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Mksh53@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:22:40 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Dojang in Herndon, VA ? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Luc Ngyun, I just came across your post. I'm not sure if your still in the Herndon area, but if so you are more than welcome to come workout with us. I'm a Hapkido teacher with the IHF. I teach in Annandale VA, which is not far from Herndon. If you would like to stop by e-mail me at _Hapkiyoosoolofnova@msn.com_ (mailto:Hapkiyoosoolofnova@msn.com) . and I'll give you class schedule, and directions. Take care. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:25:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<…Maybe instead of looking at it as borrowed from other places in could be viewed as one man's opinion about which portions of Hapkido to teach and which portions to discard…>>> A student new to hapkido trains hard and progresses through the gup system to chodan, but this is just the beginning as each decade brings something new. However, the hapkido theories of motion practiced are fundamental in making hapkido distinct. This is why calling a collection of self-defense techniques ‘hapkido’, does not mean that one is practicing hapkido. I have spent over three decades studying hapkido and I still have a lot to learn. I am certainly not qualified to say that all the hapkido teachers before me were wrong and this or that part of hapkido should be discarded or changed. Unfortunately, no country is immune to those with ‘paper’ who obtained it without earning the rank or bothering to really learn the finer details of the art, or the art itself for that matter. This is not only true in hapkido as it occurs in most martial arts and is found in every continent from North America and Europe, to Asia (and it is just as common in Korea and Japan as it is in the USA). It gets to the point where authenticity is found by simple perpetuation for those looking for it. Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com "Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, but rather by the distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!" - Master J. R. West --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The Government controlling Martial Art Corruption Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was reading an interview of Grand Master Gedo Chang, and when asked: Do you think Masters have an obligation to ensure the quality of other corrupt Masters? He replied: "We Masters do not want the Martial Art society corrupted. We know people who open up a school after 3 months training, insisting that they are a 3rd Degree Black Belt. Others after a year claim themselves Masters, this such thing should be corrected. In the Oriental countries we do not have this problem because of the governments strict controls. In the rest of the world like America, there are no such controls. The best way to stop this corruption is for the government to establish certain regulations, in this way false leaders of Martial Art society should disappear. As Masters we can not go and tell them that they are not right. It is unfortunate that some fo the false Masters are very capable business men, thus attracting more students. Well trained Masters sometimes have problems because of lack of students if they are not as adept in business. The corruption within Martial Arts society should be stopped otherwise we will simply turn into a marketplace." My question is could it ever be a good thing to have the government involved in Martial Arts? Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hapkido Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:03:25 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have interlineated my comments below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J R Hilland" > <<<.Maybe instead of looking at it as borrowed from other places in could > be > viewed as one man's opinion about which portions of Hapkido to teach and > which portions to discard.>>> > > A student new to hapkido trains hard and progresses through the gup system > to chodan, but this is just the beginning as each decade brings something > new. However, the hapkido theories of motion practiced are fundamental in > making hapkido distinct. This is why calling a collection of self-defense > techniques 'hapkido', does not mean that one is practicing hapkido. I have > spent over three decades studying hapkido and I still have a lot to learn. > I > am certainly not qualified to say that all the hapkido teachers before me > were wrong and this or that part of hapkido should be discarded or > changed. I studied TKD for 12+ years. My motivation for practicing TKD was to learn self defense. Upon reflection TKD did not exactly meet my needs because there were aspects of the training that did not directly enhance my ability to defend myself. For example I wish we had spent less time on Poomse (i.e. Hyung) and point sparring. The instructor could have gone against tradition by reducing the time spent on Poomse. When I first discussed Combat Hapkido with my current instructor I was informed that there is no Hyung in Combat Hapkido to which I was delighted. The more I studied Combat Hapkido the more I believed that GM P has structured the curriculum to meet the needs for those of us who wanted self defense training. The bottom line is that GM P eliminated Hyung from his curriculum and, while I do not exactly know why he did so, I strongly suspect that he tailored Combat Hapkido for direct self defense training as per his personal philosophy. > Unfortunately, no country is immune to those with 'paper' who obtained it > without earning the rank or bothering to really learn the finer details of > the art, or the art itself for that matter. You were doing so well but then the smear campaign had to start. Now that it has degenerated to this stage I feel like I am debating the question "When did you stop beating your wife". A type of question with a premise that sets the stage for the debate. A premise I do not agree with. Take heed of the quote you included below "Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, but rather by the distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!" - Master J. R. West" For me, I am enjoying the Combat Hapkido experience and am learning more each and every class. Parroting GM West once again, it is my objective to make it to the next class. > This is not only true in hapkido > as it occurs in most martial arts and is found in every continent from > North > America and Europe, to Asia (and it is just as common in Korea and Japan > as > it is in the USA). It gets to the point where authenticity is found by > simple perpetuation for those looking for it. > > Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND > www.hapkidoselfdefense.com > > "Martial arts success is not measured by the destination, but rather by > the > distance traveled, and what is learned along the way!" - Master J. R. West > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest