Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 03:00:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #340 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: apologies (Hindley) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] John Pellegrini Bashing Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:15:33 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net just wanted to add some food for thought...first off, i am NOT taking any sides or defending anyone or anything here, so bear with me... i was thinking about this thread at work today, and i think that it is amazing that everytime someone starts a "new" system, or modifies an existing system they are automatically subjected to widespread criticism and scrutiny...did the masters who developed the martial arts systems we study today go through this? probably. what was said when aiki-jujutsu was "streamlined" into other arts, like judo, jujutsu, bjj, or even hapkido? were the men who did it subjected to the same scrutiny now put upon John Pelligrini? if you think about it, G.M. Choi had no proof of his training (in writing), only his word that is to this day still argued upon as to its authenticity, yet here many of us stand training in HKD. also, about the "for profit" thing that was talked about....lets be frank, if any martial arts instructor is making a living or a profit off of teaching, he is in it for the money...plain and simple. if it was just strictly about the teaching, passing the art, spread of knowledge, love of the art, etc. he or she would do it for free. so, if JP is making a living on the CHKD system he teaches, then it is just as legit as anyone else as long as he isnt stealing (rick love)...he just is better at the business end than others, so props to him for that... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] John Pellegrini Bashing > I think the thing to remember is people are going to talk...period. If he was a sole inheritor of a system, or if he learned and mastered traditional hapkido, someone somewhere would have something bad to say about him. Or you, or me, or anyone on this forum. I'd say let people talk...eventually if the man is the real deal, he'll be standing tall when the smoke clears. > > Jye > > > JOHNMAUSA@aol.com wrote: > I am not sure who, when, why or how the John Pellegrini bashing got started > on our kindly discussion panel. > For the past few days, I have been reading numerous comments concerning > Pelligirin's hapkido abilities and/or his commercial success. The thing that > seems to be worrying most here, is the name that Pellegrini chose for his system. > Combat Hapkido appears to cut deep in the craw of some of the bashing > contributors. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Fred Gommels" To: "DOJANG DIGEST" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:56:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] FROM SHIHEUNG, S. KOREA TO ROCHESTER, MN Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WWW.MAFCI.COM/MASTERSSEMINAR/ Have you seen this link to our MASTERS SEMINAR this Fall? It is not easy to take a trip to Korea, so WE BRING KOREA TO YOU with the arrival of GrandMaster Song, Pan Gon and Master Kim, Jong Sung from Shiheung, South Korea. I hope you can come to this seminar. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR 5 YEARS to arrange for Master Kim to accompany GrandMaster Song. And this is the year! Master Kim, Jong Sung is one of the most amazing Korean martial artists that you could ever meet. http://www.simmudo.com/kimjoungsung.shtml He’s powerful. He’s fast. He’s flexible. He’s knowledgeable. He’s a gentleman. He has trained in a wide range of Korean martial arts. He is our top choice from Shiheung, S. Korea to assist GrandMaster Song. Both men are high level masters and leaders in the Korean Martial Arts. THE SEMINAR TRAINING will be in Yudo, Hapkido, Taekwondo, Hoshinsul, Kyuktooki, Simmudo techniques, and Weaponry. http://www.mafci.com/mastersseminar/training.shtml GM Song is the President of the KOREA SIMMUDO ASSOCIATION http://www.simmudo.com/ our black belt connection to Korea. Master Kim is the Director of General Affairs. The MAFCI of Rochester, MN is the International Headquarters. People from across the USA, from Spain & England are planning to attend. I urge you to also take advantage of this unique opportunity. I can guarantee that you will come away from this seminar motivated, inspired and on fire to further your martial arts training. Sincerely, Fredrick J. Gommels Martial Art Fitness Centers, Inc. KOREA / USA SIMMUDO ASSOCIATION 2849 S. Broadway Rochester MN 55904 507-281-4335 www.mafci.com www.simmudo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Hindley" To: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:38:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: apologies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I must apologize to the list for making the statement quoted by tkdtom. It was not in my intention to disrespect my former master or organization or bring to the surface situations and events that might cause disrespect or untrue interpretations to be made. I did not use foresight before posting my feeling or opinions. We have all done things we keep amongst a tight few. My apologies Ray, for writing this on the DD I get uppity when the subject of CH comes up. On a totally unrelated event I Must give respect and congratulations to Mr. Daniel Mullenix and my brother Mr. Jeff Hindley for receiving their Master Rank in Hapkido with the WHA from GM Hwang, In Shik and Master Tae Jung during this years summer camp in Ventura CA. Greg Hindley >Message: 3 >From: "tkdtom" >To: >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: ICHF material >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:18:03 -0400 >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net> >Sorry for not being clear. When I asked for specifics such as date, >time.... I was referring to this statement "I know someone who experienced >JP a few years back in a one on one confrontation calling his bluff so to >speak and he didn't fare to well." >I was not referring to GM P's lineage. Again, sorry for the confusion --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest