Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 03:00:47 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #345 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. HapKiDo & Hyung (Kevin Janisse) 2. Gov't Control of Martial Arts (kimberlysullivan) 3. doing it for the money (Ray) 4. Re: Hapkido & Hyungs (aburrese@aol.com) 5. Style or Lineage (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 6. Re: Style or Lineage (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:29:17 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] HapKiDo & Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Tom, "Maybe I am making an assumption here but when I attended a GM Seo seminar they were performing Hyung. I welcome enlightenment on this topic". GM Seo teaches Kuk Sool HapKiDo / Kuk Sool Won. This includes many forms both empty hand and weapons. We teach a similar curriculum with the forms in it. There are still a much higher percentage of techniques to forms, it is like HapKiDo plus..... A couple reasons the hyung is kept in the curriculum is because it is a device used to condition the body and teach movements that are utilized in the techniques. I consider forms to be sports specific exercises that enhance the quality of what you are trying to do. Many of the Hyung taught, when performed properly, simply enable the technician to execuute movements in a technique quickly and fluidly. Hyungs also help develope, strength, endurance, balance, coordination, focus, ect.. I personally enjoy forms and found them to be very helpful. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse NKMAA --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "kimberlysullivan" To: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:42:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gov't Control of Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net tkdsid@aol.com wrote: >>>I've been ranting and raving about this all year. Should the government control martial arts? >>>Well, in Queens,NY there is a master that recently ripped off 30 student for kukkiwon >>>fees,there is the Chubby Wannabee that does this all the time. Do you think their student >>>wished there was an office they could turn to???? Control martial arts???? YESSSSSS!!!! Just had to chime in on this one: The government already is involved. There are laws against fraud, assault, battery you name it should someone be willing to pursue them. There are also other resources, the Better Business Bureau, legitimate associations when available, etc. There is no reason for every single industry to have there own special set of regulations and government appointed governing bodies (heavens, you think taxes and bureaucracy are out of hand now, can you imagine???). At some point, we all have to stand up for ourselves (& our children). Are there people out there who will try to take advantage? You bet there are, they are in every profession and venue, but they are still the minority. It is our responsibility to also stand up for ourselves including taking legitimate legal recourse or working through business and industry groups when necessary. There is plenty of info out there, for those who wish to find it, on Mr. Wannabee and, if folks are responsible, there will be plenty of info out there on others after the first few times they take advantage. It is also our responsibility to research our investments and follow the old adage, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". Folks, it is quite simply called "real life self defense" and it is not always physical! ---Kim S. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] doing it for the money Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net IMHO... If people didn't 'do it for the money' then probably 90% of us would have never been able to learn TKD or HKD or SBD or ??? since there wouldn't have been many instructors around to teach us. I would be one of the exceptions and I'm sure there are many others, but by far most have learned from an instructor that was getting paid for his/her time. I see a huge diff between getting paid for teaching and just being in the arts to rip off students. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:21:14 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido & Hyungs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just for people's information. I do practice and teach hyungs. I practice and teach the same ones taught to me in Korea by my HKD instructors there. So some Hapkido schools/organizations do include forms within the training curriculum. For what it's worth. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:43:18 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Style or Lineage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray At one time I taught, that Moo Duk Kwan was our organization, and Tang Soo Do (years ago) Soo Bahk Do now is our style just as you suggested. I was corrected by Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee himself. When asked, He said (through translation) There were many people teaching Tang Soo Do however the Moo Duk Kwan style was unique. I looked at our current Dan Manual (approved by KJN HC Hwang) on page 13 it says Name of art you study--Soo Bahk Do Name of Style Moo Duk Kwan It seemed that in earlier years when I would ask about this subject that the older Koreans referred to MDK as Style and the americans referred to the art name as the style. Maybe it perspective. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Style or Lineage To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > At one time I taught, that Moo Duk Kwan was our organization, and Tang Soo Do > (years ago) Soo Bahk Do now is our style just as you suggested. I was > corrected by Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee himself. When asked, He said (through > translation) There were many people teaching Tang Soo Do however the Moo Duk > Kwan style was unique. I looked at our current Dan Manual (approved by KJN HC > Hwang) on page 13 it says Name of art you study--Soo Bahk Do Name of Style > Moo Duk Kwan Yes, I believe it says something similar in the 'Little Blue Book'. I suspect what he was attempting to say was that TSD MDK was slightly different from, e.g., TSD CDK (back in the late 1940s). Thus he was looking at MDK as the flavor of TSD that he taught -in- the Moo Duk Kwan/dojang. Again, imho, these days SBD is the style/art that is clearly unique to Hwang Kee. That is why he stopped using Lee Won-kuk's name Tang Soo Do and switched to Soo Bahk Do. And now MDK is the lineage that began with Hwang Kee that all MDKers (whether SBD or TSD or TKD or HSD) may openly claim. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest